Noah837 said in post #61:
. . . the lake of fire is termination of the soul, not eternal torment.
Are you thinking of the following verse?
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [gehenna].
If so, note that here "destroy" doesn't have to mean annihilate. For the original Greek word (apollumi: G0622) can be used to refer to something simply being ruined (Mark 2:22), yet still existing in its ruined state (cf. Mark 9:45-46).
Also, note that sometime after the future Millennium and Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), the souls in Hades will be physically resurrected, judged, and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12-15), which will be the second death (Revelation 21:8). This will be the death of both their resurrected bodies and their souls (Matthew 10:28). And yet, even though they will be dead in both body and soul, their spirits, which are distinct from their bodies and souls (1 Thessalonians 5:23), will remain conscious, and will suffer along with the spirits of Satan and his fallen angels forever (Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Matthew 25:41,46, Mark 9:45b-46, Isaiah 66:24).
Also, the future, eternal, conscious suffering of the unsaved mustn't be considered as eternal
life, but as an eternal, conscious, ongoing, second
death (Revelation 21:8, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:45b-46).
What is eternally punishing (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 14:10-11) about the "Gehenna" hell (Luke 12:5, Greek) is fire eternally burning the physical body, and worms eternally eating the physical body (Mark 9:46, Isaiah 66:24). The physical bodies of the unsaved in Gehenna need not be exactly like people have now, which don't regenerate parts of themselves if those parts are burned or eaten. For before the unsaved are cast into the Gehenna hell (also called the lake of fire), they will be physically resurrected (Revelation 20:12-15, John 5:29b). And their new, physical resurrection bodies could eternally regenerate parts of themselves whenever those parts are burned or eaten. But then the regenerated parts could be burned or eaten again, only to regenerate again, only to be burned or eaten again, and so on, forever: an everlasting suffering (Revelation 14:10-11).
In Gehenna, the fire will never go out (Mark 9:46). It will never run out of fuel, but will continue to punish the unsaved forever (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 14:10-11, Revelation 20:10,15). The fact that the fire will already be burning before the physical resurrection bodies of the unsaved are cast into it (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 20:15) means that their bodies won't be the fire's fuel. The fire will have its own source of fuel by which it will burn/punish the unsaved forever (Revelation 14:10-11, Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46, Mark 9:45-46).
Noah837 said in post #61:
The SMOKE goes up forever and ever, not the literal torment.
Revelation 14:11 And the smoke
of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night . . .
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and ever . . .
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Noah837 said in post #61:
Anyless, forever and ever means much like a 'times, and a time, and half a time'. It is not eternal.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels . . .
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Note that here, in the original Greek, the same word (aionios: G0166) is used to refer to the "everlasting" punishment of the unsaved as is used to refer to the "eternal" life of the saved. So to claim that the everlasting punishment of the unsaved can't be everlasting, but must only be temporary, would suggest that the eternal life of the saved can't be everlasting either, but must also be temporary.
Noah837 said in post #61:
Yahuah who is God does do evil to accomplish his will . . .
Are you thinking of the following verse?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.
If so, note that here the original Hebrew word (ra: H7451) translated as "evil" can refer to "calamities" (Psalms 141:5b). And in Isaiah 45:7, the reference to darkness can mean literal darkness, like at night (Genesis 1:5). Isaiah 45:7 does not mean that God is responsible for any moral evil or darkness. For everything that he does is perfectly just and right (Deuteronomy 32:4). And he never (as is sometimes claimed) causes anyone to commit sin; he never even tempts anyone to commit sin (James 1:13-17). It is Satan and his fallen angels and demons (Revelation 12:9-12, Revelation 20:10, Matthew 25:41, John 8:44, Zechariah 3:2), and all of us sinful humans, who are responsible for all of the moral evil in the world (1 John 3:8, Acts 26:18, Ephesians 2:2-3, Ephesians 6:11-12). Everyone will be held responsible for his own deeds (Romans 2:6-8).
