Question: Where do you start, God's Word or God's heart?

[SabbathBlessings]

Salvation is not water.
Water is water, and Salvation is God making you righteous, by NEW BIRTH.

Those are not the same.

I prefer what Jesus teaches:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

Being baptized is commitment you're making to God of walking a new path in Christ.

I never said this was a guarantee for Salvation, but it's an important step.

 

[Sidon]

The answer is that few have a teachable mind and spirit to receive. .

No.

The mind of Christ is not about having a "teachable mind".

The mind of Christ is GOD's mind. This is why it's called "the mind of Christ".
Thats not your's, that's His.

So, i have no idea who taught you this bizarre theology, but, its not what you needed to learn.

 

[Sidon]

It is called a covenant. Will you be a "good and faithful servant"? or will you be the least in
the kingdom of heaven, because you continue to exalt yourself here?!!

God's Covenant, the New Testament, is not based on you continuing to do anything.

The New Covenant is God's BLood shed.
The New Testament is the Cross of Christ, as the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

Its interesting that you dont even understand this, at all.

What will you tell us next ?

 

[Sidon]

No, He called you and granted you grace for salvation for His Purpose. To serve Him..

No.

God gave or "granted" Grace, because "God so LOVED the WORLD that He GAVE His Only Begotten".
John 3:16

See that?
Understand ????
That is why God gave the world the offer of Salvation.
Not so that we can serve, but so that we can be a part of God's Family.

"for God so LOVED">

See that part?
That is why Jesus came here and DIED.

 

[Sidon]

Everything is conditional .

Salvation is not conditional on you keeping commandments, unless the 10 commandments died on the Cross for your sin.
Jesus is Salvation, and He's not a commandment, Hes God on the Cross doing this.... John 3:16
So, if commandment keeping is the savior, then keep chasing them trying to save yourself.
If they can't save you by KEEPING THEM, or THE LAW.... then you are in a theological situation where your faith is in WORKS instead of in Christ.

 

[Sidon]

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[Sidon]

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water .

The "cult of Mary", from about 4-5 AD, created the false gospel of "regeneration by water".

So,
You are teaching this same heresy of "born again BY water".

Listen.....
We are not born again by water.
We are born again by the Spirit of God.

God gives birth to the dead Spirit, in a person who : "all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".
"justification BY faith".

Your dead spirit is INSIDE YOUR BODY.
Water touches the Body, not the Spirit, sabbethblessing.
God touches the Spirit but not the body, sabbethblessing, or you are not born again.

Water saves NOTHING.

"born again" is a Spiritual re-Birth, caused by God's Spirit, never by water.
All water can do for you, is get you wet.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Salvation is not conditional on you keeping commandments, unless the 10 commandments died on the Cross for your sin.
Jesus is Salvation, and He's not a commandment, Hes God on the Cross doing this.... John 3:16
So, if commandment keeping is the savior, then keep chasing them trying to save yourself.
If they can't save you by KEEPING THEM, or THE LAW.... then you are in a theological situation where your faith is in WORKS instead of in Christ.

Please do not micro quote me, this is deceiving and not what I said.

We are not saved by keeping God's laws, we are saved by grace God' gift for those He saves. We are judged based on our works though and that is different than our salvation.

Revelation 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The "cult of Mary", from about 4-5 AD, created the false gospel of "regeneration by water".

So,
You are teaching this same heresy of "born again BY water".

Listen.....
We are not born again by water.
We are born again by the Spirit of God.

God gives birth to the dead Spirit, in a person who : "all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".
"justification BY faith".

Your dead spirit is INSIDE YOUR BODY.
Water touches the Body, not the Spirit, sabbethblessing.
God touches the Spirit but not the body, sabbethblessing, or you are not born again.

Water saves NOTHING.

"born again" is a Spiritual re-Birth, caused by God's Spirit, never by water.
All water can do for you, is get you wet.

It's meant to be a decision, not sprinkled on at birth. Your argument is with Jesus because it is a direct quote from our Savior.

John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Jesus was baptized not because He needed to, but as an example for us.

 

[Sidon]

14Blessed are they that do his commandments,

God blesses the "evil and the good".

commandment keeping wont cause God to bless you, if you are not born again.
And its by being born again, that you become a part of God's family.
Thats why you are "blessed".

A born again person is a "heir of God" and a "joint heir with Christ".

There is your "blessing", found.
No commandments involved, sabbathblessing.

 

[Sidon]

John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

You are born of water when you mother's water broke and out you came into this world.
There is your 'BORN OF WATER".
Thats your 1st birth, sabbathblessing.

This is why Jesus said you must be Born AGAIN.
See, you were already born once, and that is the physical birth.
You were inside your mother, in a BAG OF mostly WATER.
It broke, and out you came. That is the 1st birth.

Now you "must be BORN AGAIN".
That is the SPIRITUAL "new birth".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are born of water when you mother's water broke and out you came into this world.
There is your 'BORN OF WATER".
Thats your 1st birth, sabbathblessing.

This is why Jesus said you must be Born AGAIN.
See, you were already born once, and that is the physical birth.
You were inside your mother, in a BAG OF mostly WATER.
It broke, and out you came. That is the 1st birth.

Now you "must be BORN AGAIN".
That is the SPIRITUAL "new birth".

How old was Jesus when He was baptized as our example? Maybe this will help answer your question.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God blesses the "evil and the good".

commandment keeping wont cause God to bless you, if you are not born again.
And its by being born again, that you become a part of God's family.
Thats why you are "blessed".

A born again person is a "heir of God" and a "joint heir with Christ".

There is your "blessing", found.
No commandments involved, sabbathblessing.

So you're arguing with scripture? It was a direct quote. You seemed to have created your own quote from direct scripture that is not in the bible.

 

[Mr. M]

Fellowship with the saints is how a believer becomes "in Christ", you say? /??????
What?
What are you talking about now?

The Fellowship of the saints is living the Christian life IN Christ.
Here is a clue for you. Have you never actually engaged in group Christian fellowship?
What are you, a Sunday-Wednesday churchgoer? Read this carefully, for it describes the
saints of light In Christ. Have you never heard the term "the body of Christ?
Ephesians 4:
1 I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with
which you were called,
2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Listen, JESUS becoming someone's SALVATION is how you become "in Christ".
Hanging out with other believers does not cause this , and why you have the idea that it does, is very odd.

It is certainly very odd that what I am saying is unfamiliar to you. Paul mostly wrote letters to churches. It is easier to note the individuals; 1&2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon. In the other letters,
he is addressing the group and all of the "you are" are plural. How exactly do you apply 1 Corinthians
11-14 to yourself? This is In Christ, His body.
Acts 2:42-47 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship,
in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many
wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together,
and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them
among all, as anyone had need. So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and
breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,
praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily
those who were being saved.
How is it you do not know that the Life and Love of Christ is experienced in a living way
through His Body, or are you just a "Jesus and Me" Christian who occasionally "hangs out"
with other Christians. That is the most vulgar and uninformed way that I have ever heard
someone reference the fellowship of the saints. "hanging out with other Christians". And what
if there are unbelievers in attendance? Does 1 Corinthians 14 apply? Your have a "very odd"
understanding of the apostolic doctrine. Do you have a particular creed that you abide by?
Does it include "the communion of the saints?

 

[Sidon]

How old was Jesus when He was baptized as our example?

I need you to just think.
Ok?

1st. When Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan by his cousin, was this because He was repenting of SIN, and needed to be born again?

THINK.


Next.
Does Jesus know He is God, or is He confused about this, sabbathblessing?
Does Jesus know He's the SAVIOR, or is He confused about this also?

So, would Jesus give water the credit for "saving you", if He's the Savior?
Only if's He's not the Savior.

Dont give water the credit for what its not.

Think.

 

[Sidon]

So you're arguing with scripture? It was a direct quote. You seemed to have created your own quote from direct scripture that is not in the bible.

Anyone , including the Devil, can quote a verse.
Serial Killers quote them.
Hitler quoted them.
So what?

Its not the quoting that matters, its the discerning of the verses that is the Key.

 

[Sidon]

The Fellowship of the saints is living the Christian life IN Christ.

Life in Christ is the LIFE of Christ as "Christ in You, the hope of Glory".

Please stop cutting and pasting from online or from your commentary, the same redundancy.

Thx.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Anyone , including the Devil, can quote a verse.
Serial Killers quote them.
Hitler quoted them.
So what?

Its not the quoting that matters, its the discerning of the verses that is the Key.

We it helps if you include the entire scripture instead of taking a line here and there which changes the context. For example, you said previously Jesus said depart I do not know you if you keep God's laws which was 100% opposite of what Jesus said.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Context matters.

 

[Sidon]

For example, you said previously Jesus said depart I do not know you if you keep God's laws which was 100% opposite of what Jesus said.



Context matters.

Let me give you some "context", And then i'll teach the "depart from me verse".

First,.... to enter God's Kingdom, you have to be born again, into it.
Water can't do that, as if it could then everyone who took a bath or a shower would be born again.

2nd, Jesus HIMSELF is Salvation.. So, If you have Him in you, then you have Salvation.
Water can't put Him in you.
What does?
Being Born again, INTO God........which is to become by new birth, a NEW CREATION, "in Christ".

Now, about that "depart" verse, that you have stumbled over, and all Legalists do, also.

Notice the CONTEXT of the verse, sabbathblessing is...>"KNOW YOU"> or not.

Jesus says that if He does not KNOW YOU, .....there is the context, you will be cast out..."depart".


So, who does Jesus KNOW?..........= Jesus "knows' everyone He LIVES IN.

"Temple of the HOLY Spirit"...

Jesus KNOWS everyone who is BORN AGAIN, "in Christ".
Jesus KNOWS, everyone who is become by new birth a "new Creation" in Christ", "one with God".

Now who isn't this?, is whom Jesus does not KNOW.

See it?

That would be the water baptized who are not born again.
That would be all UNBELIEVERS.

For Christ to KNOW YOU< means that CHRIST LIVES IN YOU.

Thats the "born again".....= only.

 

[Mr. M]

No.

The mind of Christ is not about having a "teachable mind".

The mind of Christ is GOD's mind. This is why it's called "the mind of Christ".
Thats not your's, that's His.

So, i have no idea who taught you this bizarre theology, but, its not what you needed to learn.

Here is where "the bizarre theory" is taught. To have a teachable spirit is to receive from above,
from heaven. From the Holy Spirit to our spirit. You receive the mind of Christ.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him
from heaven.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the
Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught, but I received through
the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God,
that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the
Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness
to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you
did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive, why do you boast as if you had not received?

James 1:
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach,
and it will be given to him.
6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven
and tossed by the wind.
7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;
8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

You presume to be a teacher on this forum with your lengthy, rambling originating posts, telling
all that they have been deceived and lied to, that churches are "Satan disguised as angels of light"
and you are here to rescue us all from the lies we have bought into, but your comprehension of
the Truth is less than rudimentary.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Study this word, and learn how to receive.
G2983 - lambanō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)