Question...what is difference of views between Partial Preterists and Full Preterists

[LittleLambofJesus]

Question...what is difference of views between Partial Preterists and Full Preterists

Can anyone explain to me the differences of these 2 views? Thanks

 

[brinny]

i don't have a clue, amigo...still can't quite get a grasp of any of it

 

[michaeneu]

To be succinct, “full” views 1 Thess. 4:16-17 as fulfilled in the first century, “partial” at the return of Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i don't have a clue, amigo...still can't quite get a grasp of any of it

No worries sis....that is why I started this thread so I can get a better "grasp" of it myself

 

[brinny]

thanks

 

[squint]

Question...what is difference of views between Partial Preterists and Full Preterists

Can anyone explain to me the differences of these 2 views? Thanks

I thought you were one? Why are you asking for descriptions for a position you hold?

There are some positions of partial preterists that I can accept. The destruction of the temple for example was a PHYSICAL FULFILLMENT of many O.T. scriptures, but NOT the only fulfillment. There are, believe it or not, some views of the full preterists I can also accept, depending on which branch we may be speaking of. This would be primarily on judgment and fates of people past and present. But there are just a great diversity of views on this matter, even with all all theology branches.

First the natural-then the spiritual is a basic principle of text. And partial preterism has taken on the first portion semi-OK. The full preterist jumps full into the fray that the natural is the entire enchilada, which clearly is NOT THE case. They make MANY other severe errors along the trail. Outright bizarre conclusions, two gospels, elimination of many N.T. docs as irrelevant to N.T. believers etc etc. Way out there stuff. There is a school of full preterists in my city. They used to be on the radio a few years ago, but haven't heard much from them on the airwaves for quite awhile now. It's a relative johnny come lately to the study of eschatology, though as usual many try to claim historicity. There is one dude here that posts once in awhile, and to see his charts and figures and how he tries to stuff everything into them is outright funny. One might as well take a bundle of wire and spew it all over, bundle it back up in a ball and try to reconnect the ends.

Full preterism TRIES to view strictly on the flesh, the external, the natural/historical views of these matters. In that way it is extremely short sighted and tries to force various scriptures into those events. They have nearly NO accounting whatsoever for the world that is NOT seen with fleshly eyes, the world of evil and the inhabitants thereof.

Applying the basic principle or natural to spiritual we might for example see that Jesus exposed the residency of satan and his messengers, casting them out of their temporal habitations 'in the natural' state, that is from the flesh of mankind. There is however a future fulfillment of that same event yet to transpire, when those workers of iniquity are put out PERMANENTLY, which will be the Spiritual fulfillment of what Jesus showed prior. To say this is done is a flat out LIE.

There are quite of few theological formulas postulated by various good scholars and students. Natural to Spiritual is but one thumbnail to get a grip on what lens through some may view things. Elder serving younger is another. Israel to Gentiles another.

I've spent nearly 30 years now with my nose stuck in Rev. and still have no absolute conclusions. It is a document that one can go into and come out skewered if one gets 'locked in' to any particular 'rev' position. To say it's a done deal is to say that the FULL PRESENCE of Christ, the REVEALING of same into our creation is done. The N.T. Apostles did assuredly NOT present that view, but pointed us toward a future fulfillment, when sin, evil and death are put away permanently and DEATH is swallowed up in life on A MASS scale.

In the meantime we have ONE FOOT in the door of our 'new world.' A 'taste' of what is to come. A downpayment. A earnest money deposit. Full preterists have made their camp and ALL is done and well. Absurdity I say. Absurdity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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I thought you were one? Why are you asking for descriptions for a position you hold?

In the meantime we have ONE FOOT in the door of our 'new world.' A 'taste' of what is to come. A downpayment. A earnest money deposit. Full preterists have made their camp and ALL is done and well. Absurdity I say. Absurdity.

Yes I am a Preterist, but because of mine [and others] view of Matt 24 being fulfilled, we are labeled as "unorthodox" here on CF.

Whereas on another Forum, one can view all of Matt 24 as fulfilled and still be considered an orthodox Preterist. Figure that one out

Matt 24:3....and what? the Sign............
Mark 13:4........and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7....and what? the Sign.....

Reve 15:1 And I visioned another Sign in the heaven, great and marvelous.
Messengers seven, having stripes/blows seven, the last, that in them is-finished/etelesqh <5055> (5681) the fury of the God.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089/
What the sign?

 

[squint]

Yes I am a Preterist, but because of mine [and others] view of Matt 24 being fulfilled, we are labeled as "unorthodox" here on CF.

Whereas on another Forum, one can view all of Matt 24 as fulfilled and still be considered an orthodox Preterist. Figure that one out

Matt 24:3....and what? the Sign............
Mark 13:4........and what? the Sign...
Luke 21:7....and what? the Sign.....

Reve 15:1 And I visioned another Sign in the heaven, great and marvelous.
Messengers seven, having stripes/blows seven, the last, that in them is-finished/etelesqh <5055> (5681) the fury of the God.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089/
What the sign?

Do a study (in the KJV, which I know you probably don't like) on the exact term 'in the midst.'

IF you see this, you will see THE SIGN and WHERE Jesus presently stands and between WHOM He does still today STAND...effectively so imho. You MIGHT even consider the scripture that where TWO or MORE are gathered in His Name, it does NOT mean one human believer being gathered with another human believer.

The terms generation and generationS is another good study. This particular one is what got me started on partial and full preterist views.

The barley cake tumbling into the camp of the enemies is also a good side study of the same matter.

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[brinny]

i view Revelation as "to come". For heaven and earth have not "fled away" yet from the eyes of the One on the Throne. It has not happened yet....but as it is written, the earth groans in anticipation of the coming of the Conqueror, in all His glory, for it has not happened yet. It \still is "yet to come"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do a study (in the KJV, which I know you probably don't like) on the exact term 'in the midst.'


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Hi squint. I am not here to debate this with you or others.

 

[squint]

Hi squint. I am not here to debate this with you or others.

Debate? I don't do debate...

 

[brinny]

Lol

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Debate? I don't do debate...

I am always up for debating and never run from a good "fight".

However, this thread is more of a "fact finding" thread concerning the varying views of Preterism.

However, if you want to discuss the FP view, thou art welcome to visit us on the "unorthodox" board.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2367396/
Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?

 

[squint]

I am always up for debating and never run from a good "fight".

However, this thread is more of a "fact finding" thread concerning the varying views of Preterism.

However, if you want to discuss the FP view, thou art welcome to visit us on the "unorthodox" board.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2367396/
Full Preterism-Where is the scriptural evidence?

Facts of partial and full preterism(s) equates to putting ones finger in mercury.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Facts of partial and full preterism(s) equates to putting ones finger in mercury.

I equate the Dispensational doctrine held my some futurist Christians as the "spiderweb" doctrine. [you sound like you are of that doctrine?]

I like the way this one person put it

Grace Online Library
Dispensationalism, Premillenialism, the Rapture, Tribulation Period, C.I. Scofield, Bible Prophecy

.........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking.

So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place. My own experience bears witness to the truth of what I say.............

 

[brinny]

hmmm....still chawin' on this.....

if all has already happened, where is God's face? Why is there wickedness abounding?

 

[squint]

I equate the Dispensational doctrine held my some futurist Christians as the "spiderweb" doctrine. [you sound like you are of that doctrine?]

I like the way this one person put it

Grace Online Library
Dispensationalism, Premillenialism, the Rapture, Tribulation Period, C.I. Scofield, Bible Prophecy

.........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking.

So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place. My own experience bears witness to the truth of what I say.............

Nah, like I said, I'm really not in any particular historical camp on Rev. or prophecy matters. Definitely NOT a dispy in the classic sense.

I know for a fact that there are still things going on behind the scenes of the natural/flesh, and any views I take on have to factor in the unseen world of darkness before I'll measure them, otherwise it's just the usual [me and mine are justified and you and yours are not]

I have to be 'honest' within myself, and I know that side of the ledger quite well at this point, bitter a pill as that 'is' to swallow. A SPEC of TRUTH on this matter alone is of more worth than all the truckloads of SPECulations in eschatology without same.

just my opine.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

hmmm....still chawin' on this.....

if all has already happened, where is God's face? Why is there wickedness abounding?

Won't wickedness rear it's ugly head once again after the Millenium?