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Question regarding the Papacy

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by BlalronResurrected, Dec 29, 2001.

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  1. When a Pope is elected, it's for life, right?

    Can the Pope resign from his position? Have any popes ever resigned?
     
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  2. Kirkland1244

    Kirkland1244 Regular Member

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    Yes, yes and yes.
     
  3. Let's say that the Pope goes into a coma or is otherwise incapacitated--but still alive, and can't fufill the duties of office, what happens then?

    And is there any impeachment process like there is the for the President of the U.S, in case the Pope... umm.. acts up?
     
  4. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Canon 332 of the Code of Canon Law states that the Pope may resign his office, but he must do so freely and must not be influenced or forced into it by anyone.

    Over the course of the centuries, dozens of popes abdicated or were deposed, but the number of those forced to resign by political factions far outnumbered those who resigned on their own. The first Pope to resign was Pontian, in 235 AD; there have been others.

    And yes, Popes are elected for life, although the Church, as indicated in the canon above, does make provision for other scenarios should the situation arise.

    Canon 335 states that the business of the Holy See is to be carried out by the Curia in normal fashion until a new Pontiff is elected; the Dean of the College of Cardinals acts as a sort of interim functionary during this period.

    Canons 192 to 195 explain removal from offices; in order for this to happen, the Pope would have to do something completely from left field, such as desecrate the Eucharist, defame the Catholic Faith, apostasize, or attempt marriage. None of these scenarios are very likely to happen.
     


  5. This is probably straying from the subject, but did you know that Peter, who was supposed to be the first Pope, was married? See Matthew 8:14. :)
     
  6. Kirkland1244

    Kirkland1244 Regular Member

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    Yes, Peter was married. Big deal. So were most of the early popes, right on throughout the first Millenium.

    Woop.

    Dee.

    Doo.

    Kirk
     


  7. Excited to discuss your faith I see!
     
  8. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Yes, I knew that Peter was married. Several early Popes were. Did you know that Paul recommended celibacy for those in full-time ministry? See 1 Cor. 7:32-35.


    "Round and around and around and around we goooooo again..."
     
  9. True. But it was not a requirement.
     
  10. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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  11. Who was the youngest pope? Is there some kind of an age requirement for the office?
     
  12. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Canon 332 specifies that one who is elected to the office of Supreme Pontiff must be a bishop. Since bishops are appointed by the reigning pope from among priests, and since it takes at least a Bachelor's degree in theology to become a priest, if a man entered the major seminary at age 18, he would leave it at age 22 or 24, depending on whether he obtained a Master's or not. From there he would serve as a parish priest for at least upwards of ten years or so, at least in the United States, before a bishop retired or died; then probably anywhere from another 15 to 20 years as a bishop before he'd even be considered eligible.

    Usually, however, the Pope is chosen from the College of Cardinals. Cardinal is an honorary title bestowed upon a bishop, meaning that he is now in the select group which can vote for the new Pope when the reigning Pope dies. Cardinals, as a general rule, are usually in their late 40's before being appointed as such. John Paul II was one of the younger Popes in several decades, and he was nearly 60 when elected in 1978.

    What this all means is, realistically, a Pope will not be elected as such until he's in his late 50's, and possibly not until he's in his late 60's. I have no idea who the youngest Pope was.
     
  13. Tesseract

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    Mighty informative, Wols. I wouldnt know these things if you and Kirk were not here. :D

    Oh, and are we going back to the celibacy issue? Hasnt that topic been discussed to death already?
     
  14. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Yep, Tesserkit, it sure has; the thread I hyperlinked to pretty well covers it. And no matter how hard you beat dat hoss, he jes' ain't gonna pull no mo'.

    It's a Mexican standoff, and the best thing to do is for both sides to stand down. Besides, this is a relatively unimportant point. A Christian's salvation is not dependant on whether his clergy is celibate or not. :)
     
  15. ZooMom

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    I don't see the problem ppl have with this. Blalron, are you considering becoming a priest? Is that why the celibacy issue concerns you? I assure you that the Catholic Church is a HUGE supporter of marriage. In fact, all of the Catholic families I know consist of married people and their children. :D

    And priests ARE married. To the Church. Wols, I know I read somewhere that there is even a marriage ceremony when a priest is ordained. Is that right?


    God bless...


    Sandy
     
  16. King Solomon had a couple hundred wives, and God still thought him worthy of writting Proverbs (although there's a chapter or two in there devoted to the dangers of adultery and how you should stay with the one wife of your youth, but I digress...) :)
     
  17. GateXII

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    The youngest Pope in history was 15 or 16. I'm pretty sure it was during the first millenium & was appointed either by his predecessor or by the emporer at the time. Also, many of the Popes & Cardinals at that time were actually layman, as opposed to clergy as one would think.
     
  18. Tesseract

    Tesseract New Member

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    Id like to know how you came about with that info, Gate.
     
  19. GateXII

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    "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church" by Malachi Martin.

    I think this book is a great brief overview of Papal history (info taken from the Vatican Archives), and if you ever have the chance, you should read it.
     
  20. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Ah, yes. Malachi Martin.

    "Smoke of Satan", and that sort of thing there.

    Caveat emptor.
     
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