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Question for Sabbatarians

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by godenver1, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    Really? Tell that to every Catholic all around the world!
     
  2. Semper-Fi

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    So you say a Sabbath is always on the 7th day,
    14th day, 21st day, and the 28th day of month.

    How does this carry to the next month?
    How many days are in each Hebrew month?

    So Here the 29th would be a first day,
    the 30th would be a second day. Then the
    new moon you go back to the 1st day?

    Day one, day 2, then back to day one again?
    How does this work with a 30 day week?

    If not sequential , you would need to take
    away or add days every month.

    Never heard of this in the bible. Verse?
    Never heard this on any web site. link?
     
  3. klutedavid

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    This is true, the seventh day is counted from the first day of every new moon month.

    Your not going to contradict this as this is obvious. The Sabbath is always the seventh day of any Hebrew month.
    You don't keep counting days at the end of a lunar month because the next month, does not start until the new moon.

    On a solar calendar you just keep counting days as every month is a sequential count.

    Just stop counting consecutive days at the end of the lunar calendar and your problem is solved.
    Each Hebrew month is 29 or 30 days depending on the month. Please note there is no 28 or 31 days in any Hebrew month.
    This is exactly where you err.

    The Hebrews rested on the seventh of every Hebrew month. If you convert the seventh day of any Hebrew month to a solar day of any solar month. You will end up with a Sabbath on every day of the solar week throughout the year.

    I will now demonstrate that this is true.

    Let's use the Hebrew calendar.

    The seventh day of the month of Tammuz is a Sabbath day and no one will debate this.

    Now converting to the papal calendar.

    Gives us the 10th July which is a Wednesday.

    So the Hebrew calendar tells us that Wednesday the 10th of July is the true Sabbath.

    Is there anyone out there who wishes to contradict this simple conversion?
    The day count on a lunar calendar starts at the new moon and not at the end of the month.
    Along the lines of adding a month after every two years. Some Hebrew years have thirteen months.
    Jewish Calendar - Judaism 101

    www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

    Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle. ... When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. ... are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar is about ... A year with 13 months is referred to in Hebrew as Shanah Me'uberet ...
     
  4. Semper-Fi

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    Please Show a bible verse that confirms this.
    See The Lords Sabbath rest is every seventh day
    of the week, not the 7th day of every month.
     
  5. Semper-Fi

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    I demonstrated it false back on
    post #176, will try again to get through.

    Using a Jewish / Hebrew Date Converter
    Jewish / Hebrew Date Converter - Use this powerful tool to look up any regular / Gregorian calendar date and convert it to its corresponding Jewish date, or vice versa.

    Tammuz 7 is not always the 7th day of the week ,
    every year, all the time, converted to Gregorian.

    Wednesday, Tammuz 7, 5779 = July 10, 2019
    -This year it is a wed, next year a monday.
    Monday, Tammuz 7, 5780 = June 29, 2020

    Last time it was a Sabbath was back in 2017
    Shabbat, Tammuz 7, 5777 = July 1, 2017
    -Tammuz 7 is not always a Sabbath day.

    Friday, Nissan 7, 5779 = April 12, 2019
    -Nissan 7 on a Friday this year, wed next.
    Wednesday, Nissan 7, 5780 = April 1, 2020

    -Adar I 7 is on Tuesday this year
    Tuesday, Adar I 7, 5779 = February 12, 2019
    Monday, Sivan 7, 5779 = June 10, 2019

    So this year Tammuz 7 is on Wednesday
    So this year Nissan 7 is on a friday
    So this year Sivan 7 is on a monday
    So this year Adar I is on a tuesday

    those are just a few conversions that dispel
    the idea that the 7th of every month is Sabbath.

    I read the last link you gave me, it did not say
    anything about every 7th day of the month,
    of every month being a Sabbath. try again.

    For that matter also show any bible verse that
    shows us how to figure the 7th day Sabbath.

    Off hand I would say there is none.
     
  6. Mercy74

    Mercy74 Mercy Messianic Judaism

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    Do you understand that on day 4 the stars were given authority to mark day and night? A dark moon is a "new moon", we are commanded to observe and celebrate the new moons not new weeks. The scriptures do not require special observation for "weekends" or "new weeks". As a son being born does not disannul the Sabbath day although he must be circumcised on the 8th day so that the law of circumcision would not be broken. The days are counted after the son is born from his mother's womb. There was day and night, then there was day and night, weeks, months and years marked by the stars in heaven. The stars were placed in heaven on day 4, after the week of creation already started.
     
  7. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    I'm not following you...don't understand your question. They were slaves in Egypt if you will remember...for how long?
     
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  8. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    They were not slaves prior to Egypt...you "remember" something you did before, but stopped or lost at some point. There would be no reason to say remember otherwise.
     
  9. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    God does not need to rest. Also what Yeshua was doing, good works, are not prohibited on Shabbat.
     
  10. mmksparbud

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    When the Jews left Egypt, they came a a great mixed multitude. Those were gentiles. All who came into the Jewish camp kept Sabbath.
    "nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"

    The Jews were never to have kept their faith to themselves--God meant for them to take it to the world--they instead became exclusive.
     
  11. mmksparbud

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    God declared the days--and the seventh day was the day He stopped creating for it was finished. It was not a day and night---it was a night and day. The reason for the 8th day circumcision is that after the 8th day after birth, blood clotting factors kick in. God did not say at creation that the 7th day is after a new moon---He said the 7th day is because He finished creating and He is the one that gets to decide.
     
  12. Mercy74

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    There was day no mention of anything occurring at night each day for six days. There was evening and morning each day for six days; no mention of evening and morning on the seventh day. The word "week" never used during the creation account; only days, years and seasons. There were six days, no mention of consecutive "nights", the seventh day with no mention of morning and evening. Sabbath has no beginning or end (eternal). 7 days must expire to constitute a week.
     
  13. mmksparbud

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    Right---neither was months. God started with the evening and the morning of day one and ended creating on the 6th day and sanctified the 7th. It's quite clear.
     
  14. Shimshon

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    And then there is the fact that the sun and moon were not made until the fourth day. So the physical rotation of the earth and it's movement around the sun could not have been the criteria for 'a day'. How was the day measured before there was a sun and a moon? i.e. the first three days of creation??

    Or is a day actually 'like' a thousand years......
    And the whole use of the creation week to prove a sabbath observance 'like' a vapor of water...
    As soon as it manifests it is vaporized by the coming of the sun and moon, on the fourth day....
     
  15. Mercy74

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    No evening and morning the seventh day.
     
  16. Mercy74

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    Are you familar with the new moon celebration? It was never commanded to observe or celebrate the weeks. In other words counting the days, months, seasons, and years are clearly recorded in scripture NOT weeks. Counting the weeks does not restrict or trump the marking of days, months, seasons and years by the stars and moon.
     
  17. mmksparbud

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    Are you familiar with the word of God?
    Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
    Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
    Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
     
  18. Mercy74

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    You are only posting scriptures not explaining them as Paul the son of a Pharisee have done.
     
  19. pasifika

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    Hello, my question is if the 7th day Sabbath was given to mankind at creation then surely Gentiles kept it Not only the Israelites...So when the Israelites went into slavery in Egypt they should kept the seventh day Sabbath there together with the Egyptian...

    430yrs the Israelites people lived in Egypt according to Exodus 12:40

    If the 7th day was given to man at creation then you will find Gentiles in the Old Testament kept it...
     
  20. Bob S

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    Those who think that God commanded man to observe the day He rested from creation have absolutely no proof of such a thing. Nor does scripture tell us He mand e the 7th day a perpetual day of rest.

    Furthermore, man has never found any evidence that anyone on this Earth ever kept any day until the Israelites crossed the Red sea. If the Israelites knew anything about Sabbath observance they would have stopped their escape from Egypt and rested on their journey. It took more than a week to reach the Red Sea.
     
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