Question for LDS/Mormons

[calgal]

Unfortunatley, there are some missionaries who hit moments of weakness and succumb to temptations--and as a missionary there are MANY temptations. When I was on my mission, a number of people informed me that Penthouse Magazine had recently conducted a national poll among various college women as to the sexiest group of men in America. Mormon missionaries were no. 2 on the list. And, based on the number of times I was hit on as a missionary, I believe it. I would get calls from girls at my apartment--and they weren't wanting to discuss the gospel. At 19-21 years of age, one must be exceptionally strong to reject this attention.

Thus, missionaries must stay with their companions to avoid getting into trouble. Almost all sexual sin that occurs in the mission field occurs when a missionary leaves his companion, and it is often for only a small amount of time. For example, in our mission two missionaries were eating dinner at someone's home. One of the missionaries went to use the bathroom when one of the attractive, older, teenage daughters in the home jumped in the bathroom just before he closed the door and began to get all over the poor guy. He was weak and did some things he ought not have done. It happens that fast.

Some missionaries get hit on repeatedly by some very attractive and persistent women. If such missionary's companion goes to bed, leaving that missionary alone that missionary might take off in a moment of weakness to met up with one of these women, and these women do not want to just hold hands and gaze into the missionary's eyes. A few sororities in Florida have been known to require their pledges to sleep with a Mormon missionary to gain admission. It's a real problem, all over the World. Thus, the rule is very strict for a very good reason.

Sororities are not a stand alone operation. Their nationals would not go for the "sleep with a mormon and get his magic undies" since that falls under hazing and there are college and national policies that come down on hazing like a mack truck rolling over a bug. The talse sound like urban legends at best.

 

[Wrigley]

Ammon,

I appreciate you responding to my question. I don't doubt that you were told that Mormon missionaries were voted by college women number 2 on a list of sexiest men in America, but I find this poll very hard to believe. Do you think that it is possible that this could be a story that spread to missionaries as a warning to help them to be on guard against getting involved with someone?

I also find it very hard to believe that a sorority would require their pledges to sleep with a Mormon missionary to gain admission. If this story is true, and I doubt that it is, what does this say about the women who are already admitted to the sorority? That they all slept with Mormon missionaries? It wouldn't reflect very well on the missionaries either, if the story was true. Again Ammon, I do not doubt that you were told this, I just doubt that the story is authentic.

I don't know, I'm sure he's heard from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard that the mishies were sleeping around.

 

[Zoomer]

I do not understand how staying with you companion makes you less able to sin other than not letting you make choices. When it comes down to it that is my problem with the rules, they are controling and manipulative. It's meant to keep you in a certain regime and not have you question that authority.
Also to me, a missionary is something totally different. They are not door to door religious sales men. They are people who go to other countries preaching the name of Jesus while also helping with the medical, education, and social needs of the country.

 

[Zoomer]

Are they rules true or not? I still feel like I haven't gotten an answer.

 

[skylark1]

Please see my post #127. Did you have a specific reason for your request? I am a slow reader, and my writing is not much faster. I try to focus attention to topics that have purpose, and/or which I may be better capable to respond to. I have great confidence that Ammon has assessed the article well. I still say that the first paragraph in that article reveals the worth of the whole of it.

Ammon, was it worthwhile?

MF,

I stated in a dififferent post that my reason for asking was curiousity. I first assumed that the list was true, although obviously from a sarcastic perspective, then when one LDS member called the list all lies I wondered which rules where true and which ones were lies. I know some boys who will be going on missions in the near future, and know some mothers who talk about their sons who are currently on missions. Living in Utah, where so many people are returned missionaries, I was curious what they go through, and what their families, especially their mothers, left at home go through while they are gone.

If you don't feel that that is a worthy enough reason to respond to my question, that is your choice. I doubt that it was worthwhile reading for Ammon, since if he was an LDS missionary he already knew what the rules were. But, I found the list interesting and appreciated the verification that the list was essentially true.

 

[gort]

Zoomer quote:

Well, if we are going to us the friend for friend ancedotes, I guess I can post this. I read in a book by a former Mormon of a smaller Mormon University. That Mormon university preached the Cola could not be consumed so it was not sold in the vending machines. This student became a writer for the university paper and was allowed into the teacher's lounge. It was overflowing with Coca Cola which the teacher's and higher-ups drank. This student saw something wrong with that. He made a comment to his friend that either Cola should be done away with per Mormom rules, or it should be freely sold to all in the vending machines. He said it would make for an interesting article in the university paper. The friend told him that he should not write something like that. He got a phone call later that night warning him not to question authority

Funny you should metion that. My dad, the mormon, would never dring Colas for years. Years. Last couple of times I saw him, he did drink colas. He had previously told me it was because caffeine was in them. He was into postum at the time when I offered him coffee or a soft drink.

Whether true or not, does the lds church own any soda pop companies, or are any on the board of directors at any of these companies?


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[gort]

wrigley quote:

I don't know, I'm sure he's heard from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard that the mishies were sleeping around.

hmmmm.....hope that little tune don't hang around in my head today........lol



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[Doc T]

Whether true or not, does the lds church own any soda pop companies, or are any on the board of directors at any of these companies?

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No the LDS Church does not own any soda pop companies and no LDS GA's sit on the boards of any. I cannot speak for individual members. They may or may not sit on any boards.

Doc

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[skylark1]

Whether true or not, does the lds church own any soda pop companies, or are any on the board of directors at any of these companies?

Snopes: "The Mormons own the Coca-Cola Company"

 

[Wrigley]

hmmmm.....hope that little tune don't hang around in my head today........lol



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Its been stuck in my head since the thought came to me.

 

[gort]

No the LDS Church does not own any soda pop companies and no LDS GA's sit on the boards of any. I cannot speak for individual members. They may or may not sit on any boards.

Doc

Skylark quote:

Snopes: "The Mormons own the Coca-Cola Company"

Thanx for the info. That quenches that rumor.

Wrigley quote:
Its been stuck in my head since the thought came to me.

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[Fit4Christ]

Quote:

Zoomer quote:

Well, if we are going to us the friend for friend ancedotes, I guess I can post this. I read in a book by a former Mormon of a smaller Mormon University. That Mormon university preached the Cola could not be consumed so it was not sold in the vending machines. This student became a writer for the university paper and was allowed into the teacher's lounge. It was overflowing with Coca Cola which the teacher's and higher-ups drank. This student saw something wrong with that. He made a comment to his friend that either Cola should be done away with per Mormom rules, or it should be freely sold to all in the vending machines. He said it would make for an interesting article in the university paper. The friend told him that he should not write something like that. He got a phone call later that night warning him not to question authority

Funny you should metion that. My dad, the mormon, would never dring Colas for years. Years. Last couple of times I saw him, he did drink colas. He had previously told me it was because caffeine was in them. He was into postum at the time when I offered him coffee or a soft drink.

Whether true or not, does the lds church own any soda pop companies, or are any on the board of directors at any of these companies?


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My father-in-law (who is a mormon, 2nd in command (can't remember his official title) at his ward) worked as a sales rep for both Coke and Pepsi and still drinks Coke. I asked him if that wasn't a conflict of interest and he responded that some lds follow the rules more strictly than others. He thought it was harmless. He left me with the impression that it was up to the individual on whether or not he/she should follow the rules or not.

 

[Frankie]

Please explain:
19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (New Testament | Matthew17:19 - 21)

This passage is not talking about saving faith.

 

[Frankie]

Unfortunatley, there are some missionaries who hit moments of weakness and succumb to temptations--and as a missionary there are MANY temptations. When I was on my mission, a number of people informed me that Penthouse Magazine had recently conducted a national poll among various college women as to the sexiest group of men in America. Mormon missionaries were no. 2 on the list. And, based on the number of times I was hit on as a missionary, I believe it. I would get calls from girls at my apartment--and they weren't wanting to discuss the gospel. At 19-21 years of age, one must be exceptionally strong to reject this attention.

Thus, missionaries must stay with their companions to avoid getting into trouble. Almost all sexual sin that occurs in the mission field occurs when a missionary leaves his companion, and it is often for only a small amount of time. For example, in our mission two missionaries were eating dinner at someone's home. One of the missionaries went to use the bathroom when one of the attractive, older, teenage daughters in the home jumped in the bathroom just before he closed the door and began to get all over the poor guy. He was weak and did some things he ought not have done. It happens that fast.

Some missionaries get hit on repeatedly by some very attractive and persistent women. If such missionary's companion goes to bed, leaving that missionary alone that missionary might take off in a moment of weakness to met up with one of these women, and these women do not want to just hold hands and gaze into the missionary's eyes. A few sororities in Florida have been known to require their pledges to sleep with a Mormon missionary to gain admission. It's a real problem, all over the World. Thus, the rule is very strict for a very good reason.

Since I have never even seen a Penthouse magazine, I wouldn't even know if this were true, however, I can speak for myself and say that I do not find lds missionaries the least bit sexy. I tend to find men that don't think and act for themselves, to be very unattractive. I am not one who likes the "cookie cutter" types. In my entire life, I have never heard of sororities making their pleges sleep with Mormon missionaries. If it really was a real problem "all over the world", wouldn't it been a well known thing?

Frankie

 

[AMMON]

Please see my post #127. Did you have a specific reason for your request? I am a slow reader, and my writing is not much faster. I try to focus attention to topics that have purpose, and/or which I may be better capable to respond to. I have great confidence that Ammon has assessed the article well. I still say that the first paragraph in that article reveals the worth of the whole of it.

Ammon, was it worthwhile?

It was not worthwhile. The author is a bitter return missionary who apparently did not read the mission rules before going out, and thereafter experienced difficulties that he would have foreseen had he read the mission rules prior to accepting his call. Accordingly, he laces the rules with sarcasm and exaggeration, even though the majority of the rules listed are accurate.

 

[baker]

Hey all,

Don't get time to post here much anymore but every once in a while I find statements and claims that seem so hard to believe that I just need to challenge.

The following statement was posted by Ammon:

Unfortunatley, there are some missionaries who hit moments of weakness and succumb to temptations--and as a missionary there are MANY temptations. When I was on my mission, a number of people informed me that Penthouse Magazine had recently conducted a national poll among various college women as to the sexiest group of men in America. Mormon missionaries were no. 2 on the list. And, based on the number of times I was hit on as a missionary, I believe it. I would get calls from girls at my apartment--and they weren't wanting to discuss the gospel. At 19-21 years of age, one must be exceptionally strong to reject this attention.

Now, at the risk of showing my insecurity or envy, I need to ask the female posters here to help me validate his claim. Could each one of the female posters here please click on Ammon's "photo icon" ANd tell me how much "hitting on" you would do. Be as creative as you want in your fantasy (ie; if it helps, you can visualize him in the "g" 's or not; whispering sensual things like "and it came to pass"; or just picturing yourself in a menage-a-polyg with him.

) However, I would ask of those who enjoy a glass of wine or two to limit your judgement to just one adult beverage for this validation procedure.

As always, its good to help out on these tough claims!!!!!!

PS Ammon, all in good fun! But when you tee it up for me, well ....

 

[calgal]

Hey all,

Don't get time to post here much anymore but every once in a while I find statements and claims that seem so hard to believe that I just need to challenge.

The following statement was posted by Ammon:


Now, at the risk of showing my insecurity or envy, I need to ask the female posters here to help me validate his claim. Could each one of the female posters here please click on Ammon's "photo icon" ANd tell me how much "hitting on" you would do. Be as creative as you want in your fantasy (ie; if it helps, you can visualize him in the "g" 's or not; whispering sensual things like "and it came to pass"; or just picturing yourself in a menage-a-polyg with him.

) However, I would ask of those who enjoy a glass of wine or two to limit your judgement to just one adult beverage for this validation procedure.

As always, its good to help out on these tough claims!!!!!!

PS Ammon, all in good fun! But when you tee it up for me, well ....

The magic underroos make me nauseous. Nothing personal but I would not hit on a garmie wearer (the attitude is like soooo offputting)

 

[MormonFriend]

This passage is not talking about saving faith.

Right! It is a lesser degree of faith.

I disagree that faith is "in degrees". One either has faith, or they don't. To what extent we follow God's will for our lives can be done in degrees but saving faith is not something that you work towards in degrees. You have it or you don't. It's that simple.

Frankie

 

[Frankie]

Right! It is a lesser degree of faith.

Apperently you did not read all of my post! Here it is again for you to read through the entire thing this time"

I disagree that faith is "in degrees". One either has faith, or they don't. To what extent we follow God's will for our lives can be done in degrees but saving faith is not something that you work towards in degrees. You have it or you don't. It's that simple.

Frankie

 

[MormonFriend]

MF,
...... If you don't feel that that is a worthy enough reason to respond to my question, that is your choice.

You are a worthy enough reason for responding, as your posts are cordial, sincere, and accurate. It would be hard not to like you. If you sensed negativity in my post, it was directed at the lameness of whoever posted that link page.

Mission rules are strict. I have been through it, and I broke one rule that I recall. I drove someone's car to help them. It wasn't urgent, just a favor. But I realize now the liability issues that can mushroom, multiplied by many thousands of missionaries. Rules are for safety and protection for the good of the whole, which often requires sacrifice of the few. They may seem binding to some, but I know that they are liberating in the final annalisys. When Christ said:
28 ¶ Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
(New Testament | Matthew 11:28 - 30)
.... I am certain that His "yoke" is literally His commandments, or rules, and they lead us to His gift of salvation. The "labour" and being "heavy laden" is the result we find ourselves in when we stray from God's rules.