Question for LDS/Mormons

[RainMaker]

Have to disagree with you there. Faith is definitely a work. Why do you set the alarm clock in the morning? a) because you have faith there will be a tomorrow; b) because you have faith that you have a job to go to tomorrow; c) because you have faith that if you don't go to work on time tomorrow, you may lose your job; d) because you have faith that if you lose your job, you could lose your house, etc...etc....etc.

You could argue that you "know" there will be a tomorrow based on past experience (dawns always follows night), but there is the possibility it might not, therefore you act (work) in Faith.

My religion is the same way. I pray to Heavenly Father because I have faith he is there to answer my prayer. I try not to yeild to temptations because I have faith God will reward me and I have faith that my trangressions are displeasing to him, but through the act of repentance, I have faith that God will forgive me and I can continue to enjoy a close relationship with Him.

Trin

The bibilical definition of faith is given in Hebrews 11:1

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen."

Biblical faith isn't just wishing upon a star, it's not blind faith. It's not believing in something against all logic simply to have "faith". Biblical faith is belief based on that which we have good reason to believe is true. 1Th 5:21 says to:

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

We're also told in 1Jo 4:1:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Biblical faith my friends is not "blind faith" but is believing in that which you have good reason to believe.

 

[Frankie]

It seems odd to me for one to compare a faith in God Almighty to "faith" in an alarm clock. I realize that it is the wickedness of human nature for man to try to put the things of God on a human level but really there is no comparison between setting your alarm clock the night before and trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Comparing trusting in Jesus to save you forever to Heaven with God and hoping your alarm clock will work in the morning so you aren't late for work...... no comparison.


Frankie

 

[calgal]

It seems odd to me for one to compare a faith in God Almighty to "faith" in an alarm clock. I realize that it is the wickedness of human nature for man to try to put the things of God on a human level but really there is no comparison between setting your alarm clock the night before and trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Comparing trusting in Jesus to save you forever to Heaven with God and hoping your alarm clock will work in the morning so you aren't late for work...... no comparison.


Frankie

Amen! One (the human body driven by the alarm clock) is corrupted and fallen and the other (Jesus) was and is and is to come Eternal and Uncorruptable.

 

[Zoomer]

Here are some links dealing with what Mormon missionaries go through
http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/nutshell.htm
http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/rules.htm

There are Mormons who live up the hill from our apartment. I watched as the lights went out exactly at 10:30.

Also you may find more on
www.exmormon.org

 

[Wrigley]

Here are some links dealing with what Mormon missionaries go through
http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/nutshell.htm
http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/rules.htm

There are Mormons who live up the hill from our apartment. I watched as the lights went out exactly at 10:30.

Also you may find more on
www.exmormon.org

The rules in the second link ARE a parody? Right? Please tell me those are a parody.

 

[Krystina661]

Nothing but lies..

 

[Krystina661]

I can't even believe what I just read.. lol..

 

[Wrigley]

Nothing but lies..

Have you been on a mission?

 

[Krystina661]

Have you been on a mission?

No.. My Aunt and a few friends of mine have been on a mission..

 

[Wrigley]

No.. My Aunt and a few friends of mine have been on a mission..

So those rules on this site, http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/rules.htm, are nothing but lies?

 

[calgal]

Nothing but lies..

Some sarcasm but the main text is right out of the "White Bible" aka the Missionary Handbook with significant wording changes to avoid Kirton & McConkie's nasty letters. So what is actually incorrect? Please inform us of the parts that were wrong.

 

[MormonFriend]

I seem to recall a verse that you should believe that says "by grace through faith." If that doesn't explicitly say that you need more than grace to save you, I too am not sure how it can be said clearer.

If faith were a work, then you would have a point. But since faith is not a work, you have no point.

Then simply stated, without works we are saved by grace through dead faith? That cannot be. Conclusion; works are necessary to validate faith, and faith is necessary to validate grace. Without grace there is no salvation.

 

[fatboys]

Some sarcasm but the main text is right out of the "White Bible" aka the Missionary Handbook with significant wording changes to avoid Kirton & McConkie's nasty letters. So what is actually incorrect? Please inform us of the parts that were wrong.

FB: Some of them are right, most are an exaggeration and most are just plain false.

 

[MormonFriend]

It seems odd to me for one to compare a faith in God Almighty to "faith" in an alarm clock. I realize that it is the wickedness of human nature for man to try to put the things of God on a human level but really there is no comparison between setting your alarm clock the night before and trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Comparing trusting in Jesus to save you forever to Heaven with God and hoping your alarm clock will work in the morning so you aren't late for work...... no comparison.


Frankie

You lost the point of this portion of the discussion. Faith is a principle, no matter to what it is applied, the principle is constant. Faith is in degrees, from a grain of mustard seed to a saving faith, depending on how we master it.

You have faith that the alarm clock will awaken you tomorrow morning, so you make the effort to set it.

You have faith that by denying yourself of unnecessary foods and proper exercise, you can loose weight. And you do so, ... that is if your desires are truley to loose the weight. (Therein lies the test of what is really most important to us.)

You have faith that you can overcome the world by believing in Christ. And you do so, .... that is if your belief and desires are truley for Christ. "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 John 5:5) (Therein lies the test of what is really most important to us.)


Faith is the moving and motivating power, responsible for everything accomplished. Faith is a gift from God. It dies without our works. Faith grows stronger, even to a "saving faith," when we exercise our faith with obedience to God's word. Salvation is by grace through faith. Is that faith a dead faith or a faith that is well exercised and strong?

 

[Wrigley]

FB: Some of them are right, most are an exaggeration and most are just plain false.

Which ones are right?

Which ones are exaggeration?

Which ones are just plain false?

 

[skylark1]

You lost the point of this portion of the discussion.

Since this thread concerns the rules that LDS missionaries are required to follow, could anyone that has served an LDS mission explain what is not true in the link that was posted earlier, http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/rules.htm ? Or is it all true? The article did explain that the portion in italics is the authors added sarcastic remarks. It is the portion NOT in italics that I am asking about.

Thanks.

 

[MormonFriend]

Since this thread concerns the rules that LDS missionaries are required to follow, could anyone that has served an LDS mission explain what is not true in the link that was posted earlier, http://lds4u.com/Missionaries/rules.htm ? Or is it all true? The article did explain that the portion in italics is the authors added sarcastic remarks. It is the portion NOT in italics that I am asking about.

Thanks.

I got through the first paragraph and can tell you this writer is not to be trusted for accurate information.

Introduction
The Mormon Scriptures teach that the purpose of life is a test to see if we will do everything that God commands us to (Abraham 3:25). Once we get pretty advanced in the game ....

He thinks it is some sort of game, which makes his perspective unreliable.

 

[skylark1]

I got through the first paragraph and can tell you this writer is not to be trusted for accurate information.
He thinks it is some sort of game, which makes his perspective unreliable.

I think that it is obvious that the person who wrote the article is no longer LDS. He was honest enough to make it clear that he added his own sarcastic remarks in italics. Whether he thinks it is a game or not should not have any bearing on whether the rules that he listed are true, or false. I realize that it is likely that the rules are not given in the form of "thou shalt not....." I already know that missionaries follow a stringent list of rules governing their behavior. LDS here on this board have stated that these rules are given for a good reason. What specifically is false in the non-italicized portion of his list?

Thanks.

 

[Zoomer]

Still no one wants to answer what is true, false, and exaggerated. I know for a fact that quite a few of those are true. I used to work with a Mormon who was on a mission trip to Romania. I have read alot about Mormonism, read many things by former Mormons and by Mormons, and also have chatted with at least 10 Mormon missionaries.

 

[AMMON]

I find this entire line of discussion regarding the strictness of the mission rules most odd. A mission is much like the military. Upon entering into service, one voluntarily elects to give up certain rights--with knowledge aforethought. Yes, the rules are very strict, but one enters into the service knowing this fact and accepting the same. Thus, what is the issue here?