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Question about statues in church

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by KC Catholic, Feb 7, 2002.

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  1. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    Good question.

    God Said To Make Them

    People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).

    David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels.

    Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."



    The Religious Uses of Images

    During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to "make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9).

    One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.

    Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.

    Found the information here:
    http://www.catholic.com/library/do_catholics_worship_statues.asp
     
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  2. HisLamb

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    Does anyone here know the origin of having statues of the saints in churches? Or maybe where I can find out the answer to this? Thanks.
     
  3. SenseiPiccolo

    SenseiPiccolo Well-Known Member

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    So....
    :)
    many of the things ive heard about the catholics are wrong...
    also-- whats up with the Pope and the BENT cross--
    isnt that foretold in the book of Revelaton...
    as being evil?
    (im just curious-- dont flame me)
    :)
     
  4. nyj

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  5. Avila

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    DH & I liken the icons on our walls & our statues to family pictures. They're just of our heavenly family! :D
     
  6. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Don't pay any attention to that "Satanic bent cross" baloney. All that is is more anti-Catholic propaganda.

    There is an upside-down cross that many people get upset about, thinking it's a Satanic symbol; in reality, it's simply a representation of the cross that Peter was crucified on----he requested to be crucified upside-down, because he considered himself unworthy to be crucified the same way as his Lord was.

    There's another symbol that has been bandied about as being Satanic, although it's not a Catholic symbol; it's usually called the "peace" symbol, like an upside-down Y with a capital I superimposed on it. Jack Chick or one of those other rumermongers started the story that it was supposed to be the Christian Cross turned upside-down with the arms broken downwards, thus breaking the power of the Christian Faith.

    The actual story is, a guy named Gerald Holtrum designed that symbol in 1958 for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament; the circle symbolizing unity, and inside, the sephamore flag positions for the letters N. D., or Nuclear Disarmament. From there it passed on into the "peace" meaning.

    Blessings,
    ---Wols.
     
  7. Sarah Magdalene

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    Have to add on, Wolsley, for Sensei's sake, that the reason the Pope carries a symbol of the cross Peter was martyred on is because the current Pope holds the office Peter was given to him by Christ. It's merely a symbol of the office, not something to worship, or anything like that.

    And I really like your comment, Avila. I never quite thought of it that way. Thank you!
     
  8. jukesk9

    jukesk9 Dixie Whistlin' Papist

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    Probably read about this on the Cutting Edge website, right? The site says it's a satanic symbol used in the Middle Ages. Their source is a Catholic author, who can not provide any historical evidence as to this statement being true. I believe the Bent Cross was used by the previous pope and JP II inherited it. God bless.
     
  9. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    I went round and round with another poster on another board some years ago in refutations of things from the Cutting Edge site, all of which were total and complete mythology. The things CE were putting forth were not what Catholics believe, not what the Church teaches, and never had been.

    Always, always go to the source. If you need a brain surgeon, you don't go to an automobile mechanic. If you want to know about Catholicism, go to official Catholic sources, and not to a Fundamentalist Protestant website. there is nothing wrong with being a Fundamentalist Protestant, but unfortunately, most of them don't know a hill of beans about the Catholic Faith, although they think they do. :)
     
  10. edjones

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  11. Kotton

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    HELP? You mean to confuse the issue? Hislop is the fartherest from the facts of Catholicism. :mad:
    Follow Wols advise.

    Kotton :confused:
     
  12. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Alexander Hislop has been disproved so many times, it must be a record somewhere. :)

    Same thing with Loraine Boettner, Jack Chick, Dave Hunt, Charles Chiniquy----the list goes on and on. All of it is garbage.

    If you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches, ask the Catholic Church, not Alexander Hislop. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Tesseract

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    Oh, rightly said, Wols! ;)
     
  14. HisLamb

    HisLamb Active Member

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    KC Catholic, did you move this thread over here? If so, thank you very much! I meant to post this subject here originally instead of over in "Interfaith". I have too much on my mind recently, so I'll blame it on that. Even though I can be flaky in the best of times. :confused:

    Anyway, I don't think I was real clear on what I want to know. IF any of you know this, that is. I'd really like to know when the Church began to have statues. If there's any documentation of this, that is.

    I'm not saying statues are wrong. I don't think they are. I'm Catholic, by the way. I'm just really curious after reading someone's story (dunno what else to call it) about how the Catholic Church took pagan idols and began using them for their own.
     
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