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Question about Jesus

Discussion in 'Bibliology & Hermeneutics' started by Leah Daniels, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. Leah Daniels

    Leah Daniels New Member

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    I'm not sure if this is the proper place for this question, if it's not I'm sorry.

    In Isaiah, it says that the Lord's face was marred more than any other person who ever lived? (The end of Isaiah 52?)

    I heard the other day somewhere that the Lord's face was so messed up because of all the sin laid on Him, it disfigured His face. Is that true? I know the Scripture says something of His appearance not being "attractive," but is this true? All the sin laid on Him disfigured His face? And can you Biblically prove it?

    Thank you for your answers, anyone please answer, whatever you think. I hope you're all doing well, my precious brothers and sisters.
     
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  2. Aussie Pete

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    I'm convinced that the Lord Jesus was very ordinary to look at. For sure He did not stand out from the crowd. He was sufficiently anonymous that Judas had to identify Lord Jesus to the authorities when they came to arrest Him.

    The disfigured face was because of the terrible beating and whipping that Lord Jesus endured. Someone put it this way:
    The crown on thorns afflicted the head, where the thoughts of man are continually evil.
    The whipping laid open the back, that humanity shows as they turn away from God.
    The nails pierced the hands that are quick to do evil.
    The nails also pierced the feet that take men to places that God hates.
    Lord Jesus had a beard. It was pulled out by His tormentor. So the Lord Jesus bore the punishment due to the haughty and stony face of sinners.

    Lord Jesus endured all this as the iniquity of all men was laid on Him. That people can hear or read about this and stay unmoved, demonstrates the wickedness of the sinner's heart.
     
  3. Sketcher

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    "Behold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted. As many were astonished at you-- his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind-- so shall he sprinkle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which has not been told them they see, and that which they have not heard they understand." - Isaiah 52:13-15

    Note that it doesn't say that Jesus' face was marred more than any person who ever lived. But the beating and the scourging and the crucifixion certainly would have disfigured his appearance greatly. Keep in mind that crucifixion may not have been known to Isaiah prior to his visions - his ministry began in the year King Uzziah died (737 BC) and I have not read of evidence of crucifixion nearly that old. If so, Isaiah would have had to do his best with how to describe the visions.
     
  4. honey badger

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    Then some of them began to spit on Him. They blindfolded Him, struck Him with their fists, and said to Him, “Prophesy!” And the officers received Him with slaps in His face.
     
  5. ViaCrucis

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    There's no reason to believe that our Lord's bearing of our sins disfigured Him. He was certainly marred by the physical tortures and execution on the cross; crucifixion was an especially heinous way to kill someone.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  6. Tolworth John

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    That is someone trying to be super spiritual.

    If you have the stomach investigate what happened when anyone was crucified.
    Learn about the ritual humiliation of the victim, of the brutal treatment he would receive and in Jesus's case they called out the whole guard to amuse themselves punching him.
    Then there was the scourging by a whip with multiple lashes, all with bite of bone, stone, lead in them. A flogging stretching from the calves all the way up to the neck.
    This is befor carrying the cross beam, being fixed to it by nails and left to try and breathe by pressing on the impaired feet to relieve the pressure on the arms, as the legs tire and collapse the air is forced out of the lungs, untill impending suffocation force the cycle to begin.
    All the time the raw back is scrapping up and down against the crosses upright, the nails in the wrist are through a nerve sending addition pain signals to the brain.

    This discription is abreveated not going into great detail.

    What Jesus's face looked like is only a small part of what happened to him.
     
  7. Leah Daniels

    Leah Daniels New Member

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    Thank you, you're right.
     
  8. Leah Daniels

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    I bet it's possible that that really happened though. It's really beautiful, and sounds like something the Lord would do.
     
  9. Leah Daniels

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    "his form beyond that of the children of mankind" it does say His form was marred beyond "that of the children of mankind" - doesn't that mean more than any person who ever lived
     
  10. Leah Daniels

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    And my version says (NKJV/KJV) "His visage was marred more than any man"
     
  11. fwGod

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    The scripture itself is biblical proof. Are you asking for more of the same verses that are similar as a proof because you don't think Isaiah is biblical proof?

    The scripture states that all sickness and disease was put upon Him. So just google for pics of real people with real facial skin defects, or growths or other such problems of all kinds. Then imagine that while Jesus was on the cross, all of them appeared on His face all at once. Then there's also how all sicknesses, skin and bone defects etc, appeared everywhere on his body.

    Did you ever hear of "the elephant man"? He lived during the 1800's or there abouts. He was so disfigured that his face resembled an elephant. He couldn't walk straight, and he had to sleep sitting up because if he tried to lay as flat as possible, his body being so twisted up, he wouldn't be able to breath. The way that he looked would be just an idea of what Jesus must of looked like when he had all sicknesses and diseases placed on Him.
     
  12. Sketcher

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    No, it doesn't. It just means greatly disfigured.
     
  13. ViaCrucis

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    The theme that runs through Isaiah's message of the suffering servant is that this is God's servant who is despised, rejected, regarded as worthless. The point isn't physical disfigurement, or physical ugliness--but that the treatment of the servant is horrendous. The world recoils away from the servant because of how "ugly" the servant is; but this is the One through whom healing comes.

    The cross is ugly. It's horribly grotesque and ugly. Yet God chose the weak and foolish things of the world, so while the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, to us who are being saved it is the very power of God.

    The cross is not about how intense Jesus' physical suffering was. It's not that Jesus suffered more than any other person who ever lived. It's not that Jesus was beaten worse than anyone ever was, or that He experienced more pain than anyone ever did.

    The Atonement is not conditional on the intensity of Jesus' personal anguish.

    It's about Christ's active, lowly, humble participation in the ugliness of man--in the ugliness of sin and death. Christ willingly walked in our muck. And He did it with joy. The Eternal God chose to become a friend and servant to sinners, prostitutes, and tax collectors. Christ became a servant to rapists, murderers, liars, thieves, and every manner of wretch--in other words, you and me.

    The ugliness of the cross, the scandal of the cross, is the beauty of the cross. What the world regards as ugly, worthless, something to be despised and disposed of--that's what God became. The world despises the weak, God became weak; the world despises the small, God became small; the world despises the foolish, the humble, the lowly--so God became the foolish, the humble, and the lowly. Not only to redeem the lowly, but also to save the proud.

    The world responded to God with violence, and how does God respond to that violence? "I love you and forgive you". God takes that violence, God takes that hate, God takes the full 100mph 18-wheeler truck of human disgust, and He opens wide His arms to be struck at it with full force. And what happens? God heals the world, God saves the world, God takes the oppressed and says, "You will be Mine" and then He turns to the oppressors and says, "You too will be Mine". And He says He will bring both of them, sit them both at His Table, and that all shall feast together in love and peace and brotherhood in God's House.

    It's not about Jesus' physical appearance. It's not even about the intensity of His physical anguish. It's about Christ "who being in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to exploit, but emptied Himself, by taking on the form of a slave, being born in the likeness of human beings, and being found in human form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." - Philippians 2:6-8

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  14. public hermit

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    The more perfect something is, the more grotesque is the marring when it is disfigured. Our Lord's spiritual beauty/perfection by far exceeded his physical appearance. It also by far exceeded the spiritual beauty/perfection of any other human. Once you have a sense of his spiritual perfection, then you can see how the injustice he suffered marred him in our eyes beyond "that of the children of mankind." Homicide is horrendous, deicide is grotesque beyond comparison.
     
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  15. Leah Daniels

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    I completely agree with that, well said.
     
  16. Leah Daniels

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    I love what you said, especially this part "The world responded to God with violence, and how does God respond to that violence? "I love you and forgive you". God takes that violence, God takes that hate, God takes the full 100mph 18-wheeler truck of human disgust, and He opens wide His arms to be struck at it with full force. And what happens? God heals the world, God saves the world, God takes the oppressed and says, "You will be Mine" and then He turns to the oppressors and says, "You too will be Mine". And He says He will bring both of them, sit them both at His Table, and that all shall feast together in love and peace and brotherhood in God's House."

    But, I still think God put in the Bible the part about His face for a reason. Jesus' looks were not physically attractive, but other servants in the Bible's were. If you study those things, you begin to see the Lord is far deeper than we could ever imagine. He has everyone else completely beaten in beauty. Any human's beautiful face is nothing compared to Him and what He is really like. All of the most beautifully attractive people all together are nothing compared to His beauty. He put the part there about His face being more marred than any other person who lived for a reason. And you know His face in heaven is something we can't even handle here. I love that. I understand that what He did and went through is way more important than His face, but meditating on this thought I just shared makes me be far less vain, and more like Jesus, instead of being all about looks, being all about Jesus and good deeds like He said. There's so many things to be learned from knowing what Jesus' face looked like when He was here, what may have happened and did happen on the cross, compared to our faces. It makes our vanity and worldly obsession with physical surface beauty very plain, very eternally plain.
     
  17. Leah Daniels

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    That's so beautiful, I love that.
     
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    Ever heard of the expression "losing face"? People "lose face" relative to where they started. Jesus "lost face" more than others in light of where he started from, namely being the LORD, the Creator of heaven and earth.
     
  19. Leah Daniels

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    Thank you for sharing that I appreciate it
     
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