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Queen of heaven

Discussion in 'Mariology & Hagiography' started by dóxatotheó, May 14, 2021.

  1. Eloy Craft

    Eloy Craft Myth only points, Truth happened! Supporter

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    Although we may or may not believe Mary gave birth to Jesus without pain, it isn't just physical pain felt when we bring forth children into a sin filled world. Mary felt that spiritual pain more than any other mother ever could since her child was more innocent than any other ever.
     
  2. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying that Mary did not experience birth pains when giving birth. Is that correct?
     
  3. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    That is a typical RCC responce.

    As I posted......The phrase, "Queen of Heaven" IN THE BIBLE is never mentioned with Mary in view. It was referred to IDOL woreship in the book of Jeremiah.

    You can try and spin it anyway you choose but those who actually read the Bible know.

    The Bible does not owe its existence to the Catholic Church, but to the authority, power and providence of God. It would seem unnecessary for the Catholic Church to make the boastful claim of giving the Bible to the world when both it and so-called Protestantism accept the Bible as a revelation from God.
     
  4. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    I do understand that when we are faced with something we did not know......the 1st thing to do is attack the messenger.

    Please take the time to the the work. Begin with.................
    The Babylonian Origins of Easter (Ishtar)
     
  5. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    Good opinions. Now would you care to POST ONE Scripture that will confirm what you posted????

    1st of all. There is not one single Bible Scripture that validate apostolic succession.

    2nd, there are NO Scriptures at all that say we are to communion with the dead, but instead the Bible tell us that we are NOT TO do such things as it is witchcraft.
     
  6. prodromos

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    I see they have exhaustive footnotes with all their historical and archaeological references. Oh wait, no they don't, because there aren't any historical or archaeological references to back them up. Which you would know, if you had done the work.
     
  7. TheWhat?

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    This isn't about apostolic succession.

    [Psa 91:11 NKJV] 11 For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.

    [Mar 12:27 NKJV] 27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."
     
  8. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    It was you who posted...........
    "Something that took me quite a while to understand about apostolic traditions".
     
  9. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    It would not make any difference if they did now would it????
     
  10. TheWhat?

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    Yes. You know, there were apostles founding churches at first, otherwise christianity would not be a religion.
     
  11. Valletta

    Valletta Well-Known Member

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    Jesus decided to work through His Church, it is a fact that the Catholic Church, in a centuries long process guided by the Holy Spirit, chose the 73 books of the Bible and gave the world the Bible in the late 300s. You may disagree with God's choosing to work through the Catholic Church, you have freedom of will. But it is an historical fact.

    Jews were well aware that the mother of the Messiah would be the queen mother. The importance of her role is made clear in the Bible:

    1 Kings 2 19: So Bathshe′ba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adoni′jah. And the king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a seat brought for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right. RSVCE
     
  12. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    So you think that David's mother was Mary????????? LOL!!!!!

    My dear friend,
    "and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother";
    a magnificent seat or throne, as the word is, was ordered to be set for her:

    "and she sat on his right hand;"
    where he placed her in honour to her as his mother; so Nero a placed Tiridates king of Armenia at his right hand, to do him honour.
    Source: 1 Kings 2:19 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary - StudyLight.org

    If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church?
    Why is there no mention of a pope,
    a cardinal,
    an archbishop,
    a parish priest,
    a nun,
    or a member of any other Catholic order?

    If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession,
    indulgences,
    prayers to the saints,
    adoration of Mary,
    veneration of relics and images,
    and about 25 other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
     
  13. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    That is correct.

    But when John, the last apostle died, that ended the Apostolic office.

    Again.....there is not one single Scripture that demands, or suggests that the office of Apstle continue after John.
     
  14. TheWhat?

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    No matter. There are quite a large number of apostolic traditions tracing their origins to some original apostle of the faith. Collectively they serve as an effective witness against some of the more, you could say, iconoclastic ways of modern protestantism, meaning you can't say that it's all because of Roman Catholicism. There's many more that have similar traditions.

    As I was saying, I'm not intending to debate apostolic succession, which is a different subject entirely.
     
  15. prodromos

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    It would mean you were posting facts and not fiction.

    Here are some facts about Semiramis
    Semiramis

    She remains, therefore, one of the more controversial figures from ancient history and has become more so since the 19th century CE when the Christian minister Alexander Hislop published his book The Two Babylons (originally in 1853 CE and a more popular edition in 1858 CE), linking Semiramis with the whore of Babylon from the biblical Book of Revelation, Chapter 17. Even though The Two Babylons is clearly anti-Catholic propaganda and has no claim to biblical or historical accuracy, it is still cited by certain protestant Christian works as an authority on the subject, and the book therefore contributes to the controversy surrounding Semiramis.

    The book claims, to cite only two examples of biblical inaccuracy, that Semiramis was Nimrod’s wife, whereas Chapter 10 of Genesis says no such thing, and famously insists that Semiramis is the whore of Babylon when her name is nowhere mentioned in the Bible. The historical inaccuracies in the work are too numerous to mention. Even so, the book continues to exert a powerful influence over certain readers and their understanding of ancient history in general and Semiramis specifically.

    Whether Sammu-Ramat was the model for Semiramis continues to be argued by modern historians, who often cite the same ancient inscriptions for their conflicting arguments, and it does not seem to be a debate that will be settled anytime soon. Based simply on the evidence of Sammu-Ramat being able to erect her own stele at the prestigious city of Ashur, however, it would appear she was a very impressive and very powerful Assyrian queen who was known to later generations as Semiramis.​

    The True Story of Semiramis, Legendary Queen of Babylon

    Archaeologists have found four principal artifacts that offer at least some evidence to piece together her biography. In the ancient city of Nimrud (in modern-day Iraq), two statues dedicated to Nabu, the Babylonian god of knowledge and writing, mention her name. There are also two stelae, one from Kizkapanli, a town in present-day Turkey, and the other from Assur in Iraq, that mention her. Taken together, the four inscriptions establish at least the bare bones of her story: The queen definitely lived in the Assyrian Empire between the ninth and eighth centuries B.C., was married to King Shamshi-Adad V, who reigned from 823 to 811 B.C., and was the mother of King Adad-nirari III.​

    So the facts are that Semiramis was the wife of Shamshi-Adad V, and they had a son named Adad Nirari III. No Nimrod and no Tammuz. Tammuz was a Sumerian/Akkadian god whose parents were Enki and Dittur.

    Everything you ever post on this subject has its origins solely in the 19th Century fantasy fiction created by Alexander Hislop. You've been made aware of this many times on these forums yet you prefer to post falsehood over truth. May God grant you time to repent.
     
  16. Valletta

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    Bathsheba was the mother of Solomon, not David. The office of queen mother started in the Davidic kingdom under the reign of King Solomon.
     
  17. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    I know that my friend. However she was not MARY and that is what you were insinuating.
     
  18. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    Who is she?

    Who was Semiramis? | GotQuestions.org
    Who Is Semiramis? - Nimrod's Wife (truerichesradio.com)
    Semiramis, Ishtar, Easter, Mysteries – Michael Ruark
     
  19. prodromos

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    Your first link confirms that the nonsense you espouse has its source in Alexander Hislop and actually confirms the facts I posted above. Did you even read the contents of the links you posted?
    Your second link doesn’t add anything except that it falsely claims Eusebius describes her as the wife of Nimrod. Eusebius doesn't even mention Nimrod in his history, let alone Semiramis.
    Your third link? Who is Michael Ruark? Why do you consider him an authority? He doesn't claim to be a historian or to have any other relevant qualifications.
     
  20. Not David

    Not David Finally an Orthodox

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    What is sad is that he will keep posting it over and over in other threads.
    Kind of interesting that they talk so much about what is not on the Bible but then they mention fiction that do not appear on the Bible.
     
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