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Putin says Gender Swap for Kids is Monsterous

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by power1, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. renniks

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    He's absolutely correct.
     
  2. power1

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    With speech hate crimes coming or here in Canada, people may not even be able to stand for truth and goodness and what is of God and right. I agree with Putin that this is a crime against humanity and children. I would not want to be the doctor or nurse or judge etc that is involved in this stuff when facing God. They would be better...well, I'll let Jesus say it here.

    Mat 17:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

    6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

    Jesus has their number!
     
  3. MehGuy

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    I don't agree with trying to police language. In my mind I think it defeats the purpose and hurts both sides. If you're trans you're probably very concerned with being seen as valid.. you want people to genuinely see you as the gender you claim to be.. not having to worry in the back of your mind if they're just lying to you because of social pressure and/or legal pressure.

    Invest in scientific research, and try to come up with arguments that will genuinely win the hearts and minds of people. Calling someone a bigot and using public pressure to try to conform others into your ways of thinking probably ends up feeling hollow.

    This is the approach I try to take with fetishes and kinks. It hurts when others do not view them as valid, but I also know from experience that trying to pressure them feels cheap even when it "works". The same is probably even more true for many trans people.
     
  4. power1

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    Me either.
     
  5. hedrick

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    Here’s a more detailed discussion about what seems to be the same case. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/...or-referring-to-his-trans-son-as-his-daughter Apparently the order of which he was in contempt dd prohibit him referring to his son as female in some contexts. But the court noted that he did both that and expose private information. So both are involved.

    I will also say that although casually referring to someone with the wrong pronoun is not criminal, in the situation described here it does look to me like parental bullying. I think it’s important to note that a judge had previously examined the situation and considered it serious enough to issue a court order. It is not surprising that someone would be jailed for repeatedly violating such an order.

    We see questions from parents on a regular basis who disagree with decisions by their children. The usual advice is that while it’s proper to make your views known continued attacks, particularly in public, are not the right response. If the father wants to attack Canadian law on the subject, there are ways to do that without dragging his own kid through the mud.
     
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  6. bekkilyn

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    So according to the link, someone posted, "Attempting to persuade A.B. to abandon treatment for gender dysphoria; addressing A.B. by his birth name; referring to A.B. as a girl or with female pronouns whether to him directly or to third parties; shall be considered to be family violence under s. 38 of the Family Law Act."

    So it seems that is why the father was jailed and technically he was committing a crime under that law, but in my view it is a repugnant and harmful law to force a parent into pretending that his daughter is a son and calling it "family violence" to do so, and why wouldn't he act to protect her from permanent mutilation of her body? That's what a father is responsible for doing. And he's her father. If he wants to call her by her birth name, then that's his prerogative. I remember throwing a few tantrums when people would call me by my birth name instead of my nickname because my preference was for my nickname, but it still didn't mean that anyone was committing a crime over it. (At least at that time it rightfully wasn't considered criminal.)

    That's the thing, if a parent wants to call you "Pookiebear" because that's what they called you as an endearment when you were five, then as a child respecting your parents, then you are "Pookiebear." Live with it.
     
  7. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    Basically sex education is teaching about sex and how to use protection. And has nothing to do with people eating humans.
    I think if a student brought that up. The sex educator would say animals and dead people cant consent.
    You're the only one bring crazy sick stuff up. Learning about Transgender and gay people isn't this evil spiritual and mental molestation . It's about how Transgender and gay people are normal people, that are just begging to have rights. I'm sure some Christians and other religions wound be perfectly fine, if schools taught how immoral and evil, That gay people and transgender people are. If they continue to be who they are, their going to hell. But the medical professionals tells a different story. And the what has been proven .
     
  8. hedrick

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    No. The father was jailed for violating a court order. They’re not going to pull people in off the street for using the wrong pronoun. There was enough conflict in the family that it got into court. The judge was trying to provide a clearly defined criterion for keeping the father from continuing.
     
  9. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    But the actual violation of the court order was in calling his daughter a daughter and calling her by her name and trying to protect the bodily mutilation of a minor who was his daughter. The fact that there is a law forbidding a father from doing those things is repugnant. Had there been no law against a father being a parent, there would be no judge or court order.
     
  10. hedrick

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    I’m not sure. Judges get involved in family conflict. I can see him trying to restrain a bully this way if that was the cause of the bullying, even without a specific law on the subject.
     
  11. hedrick

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    Classic fascist leader. Aggressive military stance, pandering to his people’s predjudicesl
     
  12. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    That's true, and if more information comes out like he was threatening to beat her black and blue or murder her in order to get her to do what he wants, then I'd likely change part of my view. I still don't like a law that makes a parent into a criminal just for being a parent though.
     
  13. hedrick

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    It’s not clear that the law criminalizes using the wrong pronoun in general. This law was mentioned in one of the articles. See what you think. Remember that many of the articles on this topic are rabble-rousing. https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained#:~:text=Bill C-16 added the words “gender identity or,age, race, sex, religion and disability, among others. The judge issued a court order in a specific situation. You don’t need to beat a child to cause damage.

    I still think the real issue is not the judge, who seems to be trying to follow the law and protect the child. It’s hard to get a completely coherent picture, but I think the custodial parent agrees with the child. So the real objection is really the reality of transgender identity. That’s a point where I agree with the Canadians. I think if a proper diagnosis was done, and the custodial parent was involved, it is bullying for the father to attack his child publicly, and it is criminal if a judge had issued a restraining order.

    Putin, of course, will take every opportunity to put free governments in the worst possible light.
     
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  14. power1

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    Here's the thing, God gave the couple a baby boy. The father has rights from God, the state and mom in my opinion have delved into Satanic depravity. Apparently we will not agree.
     
  15. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Correct. Were unlikely to agree. I think Satan is on the side of Putin.
     
  16. bekkilyn

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    I do agree that it seems the judge was just trying to follow the law and that it's the law itself that I find very questionable. Not that I believe that trans people or anyone else aren't to have basic human rights, but to even consider that using the appropriate pronouns as befits a person's biological sex is "hate speech" and could potentially lead to a prison sentence is very objectionable, and possibly even moreso when it involves parenting a child and implying that child abuse is going on simply because a parent won't refer to a female as a "he".
     
  17. power1

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    Actually I would vote for Putin over Trudeau or Biden.
     
  18. hedrick

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    If the judge is trying to deal with conflict between the parents by demanding that the father shut up, and he violates that order, a sentence is inevitable.
     
  19. hedrick

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    If very many people agree with you, the US is in big trouble.
     
  20. power1

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    Even if they don't it is in for big trouble. You see God will not allow a people to offend the little ones like that period. It's all over now baby blue. It looks like they crossed the line to me.
     
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