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Purpose of the sabbath

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by Marc Munday, Jul 6, 2021.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    According to the scriptures Gods' ISRAEL in the new covenant is no longer those born of the flesh but all those who are now born of the Spirit by believing and following God's Word.

    There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

    EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

    GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

    God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

    ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

    God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

    COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

    ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

    The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

    EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

    and again...

    JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Paul proclaims it here...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

    If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

    ............

    CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    SDA's say no such thing so please do not pretend that they have. According to the scriptures to be "under the law" in Romans 3:19 means to stand guilty before God of breaking the law. There is no more Jews and Gentile believers in the new covenant as we are all now one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11. So according to the scriptures in the new covenant God's Israel are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit according to the promise *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the new covenant you have no part in God's new covenant promise according to Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gentile believers are now grafted in. God's ISRAEL therefore in the new covenant are all those who are born in the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word. Now these are Gods' Words not mine or SDA's or the Messianic movement do you believe them? If not why not?
     
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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    The problem here is not the scriptures but what it is you think these scriptures are referring to as you think that 2 Corinthians 3:7 is saying God's 10 commandments are abolished when the scriptures say no such thing. That interpretation is in contradiction to what Paul says elsewhere (eg. Romans 3:31 same Greek word used Paul is saying faith does not abolish God's law it establishes Gods' law). It is the ministration of condemnation and death that has been abolished through faith in Christ under the new covenant because of Christs sacrifice for the sins of the world, not God's 10 commandments. For example 2 Corinthians 3:1-11 is referring to the the old covenant ministration of death and the new covenant's ministration of the Spirit. The ministration of death was given by God's 10 commandments because it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is and the wages of sin is death *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23. So God's 10 commandments is not death as all it does is give us the knowledge of what sin is and the wages of sin (breaking God's law) is death. This is why Paul calls God's law holy just and good in Romans 7:12. This is in contrast to the ministration of the Spirit under the new covenant through Christ in that just as we wages of sin is death and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God *Romans 3:9-20, "There is now no more condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:1-4). So the ministration of the Spirit here does not abolish Gods' law according to Paul it establishes God's law (10 commandments) in the heart through faith according to Romans 8:4 and Romans 3:31 which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 see also Romans 13:8-10.

    Sorry Bob it seems God's Word disagrees with you here.
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    According to the scriptures no one is saved by living a life of known unrepentant sin. (see Hebrews 10:26-31). Tell me now if someone is living in a life of known unrepentant sin are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God. If they are in an unsaved state before God because they have rejected God's Word in order to live a life of known unrepentant sin how is the statement above not true?

    Hebrews 10:26-31
    [26], For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    [28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    [29], Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    [30], For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    [31], It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Now tell me this is not biblical?
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really. It depends of you believe the bible or not....

    God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 1 John 3:4 says

    EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation Genesis 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to Genesis 2:1-3]

    Jesus says....

    MATTHEW 15:3-9
    [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION?
    [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
    [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
    [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION.
    [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING,
    [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME.
    [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

    So according to God's Word God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

    According to Jesus if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. There is no one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has been handed down from the Roman Catholic Church to Protestantism that has led many to break Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. So who should we believe and follow God or man? I know who I believe and follow. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Practicing known unrepentant sin once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word according to the scriptures will keep us out of God's kingdom according to Hebrews 10:26-31.

    Something we should all pray about
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Love the scriptures but what have they got to do with what you are quoting from? Nothing because we are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. According to the scriptures love is not separate from God's law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law but let's look at what the scriptures say. Firstly let's look at the context of 1 John that you started quoting above and the reason for the epistle is given in 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. So the reason John was writing these letters was that we sin not.

    According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 or knowingly not believing and following what God's Word says *Romans 14:23; James 4:17. John goes on to say in 1 John 2:3-4 and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Then in 1 John 3:4-7 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. So we are told how we know God is by what we do. If we know God we do not practice sin (defined as breaking God's law and not believing his Word).

    John continues, in 1 John 8-10 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. So the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin. That is the children of the devil practice known unrepentant sin while the children of God do not practice sin. They are obedient to Gods' law that is they do not practice breaking God's law and commit known unrepentant sin and are obedient to obeying God's commandments (see also Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14).

    John then links the obedience of God's law to love at the end of 1 John 3:10 where he says , In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother because love is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. In 1 John 3:11-24 John compared hate with murder and breaking God's commandments with love and obedience to Gods' commandments. This is the new covenant teaching of Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 and why we need to be born again to love in order to keep God's law from the heart. John also defines what he means in linking obedience to God's law to love when he says in 1 John 2:2-3 [2], By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    This is agreeing with Jesus and is why Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets. Love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law. For example if I love my fellow man I will not lie to them, steal from them, or murder them the same as if I love God I will not have other Gods, make idols and worship them, take God's name in vain and break His "seventh day" Sabbath.

    Paul is also agreeing with Jesus and John here where he says in Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    Love therefore according to the scriptures fulfills Gods' law and is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course this includes our duty of love to God which includes remembering Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that show how we express our love to God.

    Take Care.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    What I find amazing is that when people look to talk and discuss the scriptures, everyone wants to run away from scripture to discuss EGW that has nothing to do with the discussion? Anyhow since I am not discussing EGW but scripture my posts will be limited to but a few. Context is king, the video takes statements like many other people do with her writings out of context to pretend they are saying things that they are not saying like some do the scriptures.

    1. Jerusalem not being built up?
    2. England will attack the USA?
    3. Civil war Jesus about to return
    4. Jesus was to return in a few months (context is Mark of the Beast prior 7 plagues)
    5. Adventists in 1856 will see Jesus return?
    6. Christ would return before slavery is abolished?
    7. EGW saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn? (lies does not exist!)

    Extra for interest.

    Hope this is helpful.
     
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    Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    the whole law = Circumcision, meats, sabbaths, feast days, making up 613 laws in total.


    This is what the whole passage says, instead of your SDA version.

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  9. HARK!

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    Goyim are under the curse of the law; because of lawlessness.

    (CLV) Ro 2:12
    for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

    Once Goyim come to the truth; they are grafted into Israel.

    YHWH's renewed covenant is with Israel.

    (CLV) Hb 8:10
    "For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they/ shall be to Me for a people.

    Notice that YHWH makes no mention of Goyim, nor the "Jews" in his covenant. YHWH's people are one.

    Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

    (CLV) Mt 15:24
    Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    Notice that there is no mention of Goyim nor "Jews."

    Yes the "Jews" were lost too.
     
  10. guevaraj

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    Brother, I disagree with the video's interpretation of her prophetic writings.
    1. It is true that until now, the temple system before 70 AD has not been "built up" to restore the "Old Jerusalem".
    2. It is true that "when England declared war" on Germany, it was the first world war or "general war" as prophesied.
    3. It is true that the Bible tells us that we should wake up, because the time is closer than when we first believed.
    4. Prophetic, from the decree to actually receiving the mark of the beast there will be "a few months" on which to learn what we have learned little by little. We need to prepare people before that time comes.
    5. Prophetic, the angel referred to the offspring of the present company, highlighting these meetings on the future of the group.
    6. Prophetic, she sees the return of Jesus, where a pious slave can rise in triumph and victory and shake off the chains that bound him.
    7. Prophetic, shown to her were worlds, plural, and in one of these was Enoch. Nothing in her writings suggests that limited she was to only this solar system, when shown to her were many worlds.
    United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
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    Speaking of seed...



    (CLV) 1Jn 2:3
    And in this we know that we know Him, if we should be keeping His precepts.

    (CLV) 1Jn 2:4
    He who is saying that "I know Him" and is not keeping His precepts, is a liar, and the truth of God is not in this one.

    (CLV) 1Jn 2:5
    Yet whoever may be keeping His word, truly in this one the love of God is perfected. In this we know that we are in Him:

    (CLV) 1Jn 2:6
    he who is saying that he is remaining in Him ought also himself to be walking according as He walks.

    (CLV) 1Jn 3:5
    And you are aware that He was manifested that He should be taking away our sins, and in Him is not sin.



    (CLV) 1Jn 3:6
    Everyone who is remaining in Him is not sinning. Everyone who is sinning sees Him not, neither knows Him.

    (CLV) 1Jn 3:7
    Little children, let no one be deceiving you. He who is doing righteousness is just, according as He is just.

    (CLV) 1Jn 3:8
    Yet he who is doing sin is of the Adversary, for from the beginning is the Adversary sinning. For this was the Son of God manifested, that He should be annulling the acts of the Adversary.

    (CLV) 1Jn 3:9
    Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

    Now based on what John is saying here, do you believe that one can transgress the Torah while the seed remains in him?
     
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    I never "debate a video" -- I prefer actual points made in a discussion thread.

    But to the point of this thread - is about the Sabbath... might be a good idea to stay on topic.

    SDAs were initially "first day Adventists" -- and did not keep the Bible Sabbath until some Seventh-day Baptist members brought the issue to the attention of a few key leaders in the Adventist church.

    IF your point is that you think Seventh-day Baptists got all their information about the Sabbath from Ellen White and then contacted Adventists to get them to accept the Bible Sabbath - well you might want to make that argument with a bit more clarity on this "purpose of the Sabbath" thread. Because as it is now there are a lot of other groups other than Seventh-day Adventists keeping the Bible Sabbath which includes Messianic Jews, Seventh-day Baptists and many others.
     
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    I am sometimes amazed at the number of people on this forum who quote from 1 John, but seem to ignore the passage below which defines "His commandments".


    1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
    1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
    1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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  14. guevaraj

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    Brother, the phrase "that we should believe on the name of His son Jesus Christ" can summarize the whole Bible and certainly include ten commandments. Did you notice the change from plural to singular? According to Jesus, the law remains until accomplished is "everything", giving us the plural commandments above.

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20 NIV)​

    Therefore, His commandments (plural) include the previous ten commandments and whatever else He adds to them: the singular commandment below. What's "new" about this added commandment below: Jesus gave His life for His friends. I think of missionaries who give up a privileged life to live and help the less privileged among us. This added commandment is part of the commandments of His Father, that Jesus now adds to His own ten commandments written by His own finger before the incarnation.

    A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:34-35 NIV)​

    United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  15. HARK!

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    John only mentioned one of YHWH's commandments in the quoted passage. I don't think it's so much that they ignore it; as much as they don't understand it.

    The commandments that Yahshua gave us are the magnified Torah, his father's words.

    If we believe on the name of YHWH's son Yahshua; we believe that Yah (YHWH) will shua (save) us from transgressing his perfect Torah.

    This the same Torah (instruction) that was given to Moses.

    (CLV) 1Jn 5:3
    For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,


    (CLV) Dt 30:11
    For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

    (CLV) 1Jn 2:24
    Let that which you hear from the beginning be remaining in you. If ever that which you hear from the beginning should be remaining in you, you, also, will be remaining in the Son and in the Father.
     
  16. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    For those who weren't aware of this, a partial list can be found here:

    A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies
     
  17. Bob S

    Bob S Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Since there is no law concerning the keeping of a day I am not sinning. Where there is no law there is no sin. You make keeping Sabbath a law, a law that came to an end at Calvary. And just think it was never a law for Gentiles, so it is and never was a sin for us/them.
     
  18. Carl Emerson

    Carl Emerson Well-Known Member

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    I have made no such claim - again the straw man argument.

    I have no option but to ignore your responses as they do not represent the truth of what I have said.
     
  19. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Not according to Yahshua.

    This is dogma. Dogma came to an end a Calvary.

    Here is a clue:

    (CLV) Lk 24:44
    Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."

    The Torah has not been fully fulfilled. The best is yet to come.
     
  20. BobRyan

    BobRyan Junior Member Supporter

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