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Purpose of the sabbath

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by Marc Munday, Jul 6, 2021.

  1. HIM

    HIM Friend CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Here is the section in the video where Samuel shares this info,
  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    That is a passage regarding fasting and not The Sabbath:

    One man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

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  3. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    Carl you keep trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. There is no mention of Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath at all in Romans 14. Can you find me a single scripture in all of the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment (seventh day Sabbath) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. If there is no scripture and God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 does this not worry you? It should (see Hebrews 10:26-31). According to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls us to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. The question that will becoming to all of us is, who do we believe and follow; God or man? The time is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 18:1-5. God is calling us out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters *Revelation 14:7-12. "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"... Exodus 20:8-11.
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  4. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    That thread seems to be about you, instead the text of Colossians 2:16-17.

  5. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    I know your post was in response to someone else but I think the linked posts provided to you already in our discussions only sent in love and as a help, prove beyond all doubt through the scriptures alone that Jesus is not the "seventh day" Sabbath just as he is not a new moon or a Feast day just as much as Colossians 2:16 discussed earlier in context is in reference to the annual Feast days, and all their meat and drink offerings new moons and their annual sabbath days (plural). Which of course cannot be the "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 10 commandments which is weekly and eternal pointing backwards and not forwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Scriptures support already provided, here; here; here; here; and here linked as a reference and help. Your trying to cherry pick scripture out of context to try and make them say things they do not say or do not teach despite being corrected already. See also post # 394 and post # 397 linked. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God now. Ignoring the scriptures however does not make them disappear according to John 12:47-48 which is something we should all pray about.

    Take Care.
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  6. MMXX

    MMXX Jesus is Lord Supporter

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    I think somewhere along the way Christians started calling going to church on Sunday the sabbath. Then Ellen White got upset over that and insisted we should go to church on Saturday instead. Of course sabbath just means rest. As in rest from physical labor. Not worship or church.
  7. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

    Actually no. Exodus 20:8-11 is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments spoken *Exodus 20:1-17 and written with God's own finger *Exodus 32:16 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. After all I think it was Jesus (not EGW) that said if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9 wasn't it? Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has been handed down to Protestantism by the Roman Catholic Church as a replacement to Gods' 4th commandment. In fact there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Your quite wrong if you think that the Sabbath is not over worship. You might want to consider Isaiah 66:23 for example. Sabbath is all about worship as it is a memorial (Exodus 20:8) of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth and a sign that we are His people *Exodus 31:13 and it is the same God that created all things that is saving us from our sins.
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  8. BABerean2

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    If you are still "working" in an attempt to keep the Sinai Covenant, it is no wonder you cannot accept what the text of Colossians 2:16-17 actually says.

    Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
    Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;

    You have failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" as Paul commanded in Galatians 4:24-31, because it is now "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.
    The same man who recorded Galatians 4:24-31 also recorded Colossians 2:16-17.
    Do you think Paul changed his mind?

    You also cannot accept what the Early Church Fathers said below about the Sabbath. Do you think they are all wrong, and Ellen G. White is correct?

    Ignatius of Antioch

    If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

    During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

    Justin Martyr

    The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

    For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

    And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

    “Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

    “As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)


    “[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

    It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

    But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

    Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

    And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

    But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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  9. SabbathBlessings

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    I wonder if anyone has considered God is testing us over the Sabbath. Throughout the bible we are shown examples of God testing people. There are a couple scriptures that if you r e a l l y want to make a case against God's Sabbath like Colossians 2:14-16. That would required deleting the 170+ Sabbath scripture verses and all the hundreds of commandment keeping verses in the bible and making God contradict Himself. Psalms 89:34 Malachi 3:6 Exodus 20:8, Exodus 31:16, Isaiah 66:23

    I know Colossians 2:16 is not speaking about the seventh day Sabbath commandment that God personally wrote on stone and stored in the Most holy of His Temple because it's about food and drink and its about ordinances, not the one commandment of God that He told us to REMEMBER. It fits perfect though with the ordinances of the law of Moses found in Lev 23 which talks about the annual sabbath(s) feast days that is all abut food and drink. God said and wrote this:

    Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. This should be the end of the discussion. This is God's authority! Why would anyone want to obey man's authority and will over God's authority and will?

    This one verse:

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    - Colossians 2:16

    Does not wipe out these verses:

    And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
    - Exodus 16:23

    And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
    - Exodus 16:25

    Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
    - Exodus 16:26

    See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
    - Exodus 16:29

    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    - Exodus 20:8

    But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    - Exodus 20:10

    For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    - Exodus 20:11

    Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
    - Exodus 31:14

    Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
    - Exodus 31:15

    Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
    - Exodus 31:16

    Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
    - Exodus 35:2

    Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
    - Exodus 35:3

    It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
    - Leviticus 16:31

    Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
    - Leviticus 23:3

    And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
    - Leviticus 23:11

    And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
    - Leviticus 23:15

    Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
    - Leviticus 23:16

    Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
    - Leviticus 23:24

    It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
    - Leviticus 23:32

    Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
    - Leviticus 23:39

    Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
    - Leviticus 24:8

    Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
    - Leviticus 25:2

    But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
    - Leviticus 25:4

    And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
    - Leviticus 25:6

    And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
    - Numbers 15:32

    And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:
    - Numbers 28:9

    This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
    - Numbers 28:10

    Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
    - Deuteronomy 5:12

    But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
    - Deuteronomy 5:14

    And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
    - Deuteronomy 5:15

    And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, It shall be well.
    - 2 Kings 4:23

    And he commanded them, saying, This is the thing that ye shall do; A third part of you that enter in on the sabbath shall even be keepers of the watch of the king's house;
    - 2 Kings 11:5
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  10. SabbathBlessings

    SabbathBlessings Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And these verses (part 2)

    And two parts of all you that go forth on the sabbath, even they shall keep the watch of the house of the LORD about the king.
    - 2 Kings 11:7

    And the captains over the hundreds did according to all things that Jehoiada the priest commanded: and they took every man his men that were to come in on the sabbath, with them that should go out on the sabbath, and came to Jehoiada the priest.
    - 2 Kings 11:9

    And the covert for the sabbath that they had built in the house, and the king's entry without, turned he from the house of the LORD for the king of Assyria.
    - 2 Kings 16:18

    And other of their brethren, of the sons of the Kohathites, were over the shewbread, to prepare it every sabbath.
    - 1 Chronicles 9:32

    This is the thing that ye shall do; A third part of you entering on the sabbath, of the priests and of the Levites, shall be porters of the doors;
    - 2 Chronicles 23:4

    So the Levites and all Judah did according to all things that Jehoiada the priest had commanded, and took every man his men that were to come in on the sabbath, with them that were to go out on the sabbath: for Jehoiada the priest dismissed not the courses.
    - 2 Chronicles 23:8

    To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
    - 2 Chronicles 36:21

    And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
    - Nehemiah 9:14

    And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.
    - Nehemiah 10:31

    In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
    - Nehemiah 13:15

    There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
    - Nehemiah 13:16

    Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
    - Nehemiah 13:17

    Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
    - Nehemiah 13:18

    And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day.
    - Nehemiah 13:19

    Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath.
    - Nehemiah 13:21

    And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.
    - Nehemiah 13:22

    A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto thy name, O most High:
    - Psalms 92:1

    Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
    - Isaiah 56:2

    Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
    - Isaiah 56:6

    If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
    - Isaiah 58:13

    And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
    - Isaiah 66:23

    Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem;
    - Jeremiah 17:21

    Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.
    - Jeremiah 17:22

    And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the LORD, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;
    - Jeremiah 17:24

    But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
    - Jeremiah 17:27

    Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
    - Ezekiel 46:1

    And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
    - Ezekiel 46:4

    Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.
    - Ezekiel 46:12

    Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?
    - Amos 8:5

    At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
    - Matthew 12:1

    But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
    - Matthew 12:2

    Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
    - Matthew 12:5

    For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
    - Matthew 12:8

    And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
    - Matthew 12:10

    And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
    - Matthew 12:11

    How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
    - Matthew 12:12

    But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    - Matthew 24:20

    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    - Matthew 28:1

    And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
    - Mark 1:21

    And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
    - Mark 2:23

    And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
    - Mark 2:24

    And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
    - Mark 2:27

    Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
    - Mark 2:28

    And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
    - Mark 3:2

    And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
    - Mark 3:4

    And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
    - Mark 6:2

    And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
    - Mark 15:42

    And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
    - Mark 16:1

    And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    - Luke 4:16

    And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
    - Luke 4:31

    And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
    - Luke 6:1

    And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
    - Luke 6:2

    And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
    - Luke 6:5

    And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
    - Luke 6:6

    And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
    - Luke 6:7

    Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
    - Luke 6:9

    And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
    - Luke 13:10

    And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
    - Luke 13:14

    The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
    - Luke 13:15

    And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
    - Luke 13:16

    And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
    - Luke 14:1

    And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
    - Luke 14:3

    And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
    - Luke 14:5

    And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    - Luke 23:54

    And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
    - Luke 23:56

    And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
    - John 5:9

    The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
    - John 5:10

    And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
    - John 5:16

    Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
    - John 5:18

    Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
    - John 7:22

    If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
    - John 7:23

    And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
    - John 9:14

    Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
    - John 9:16

    The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
    - John 19:31

    Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
    - Acts 1:12

    But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
    - Acts 13:14

    For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
    - Acts 13:27

    And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    - Acts 13:42

    And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
    - Acts 13:44

    For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    - Acts 15:21

    And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
    - Acts 16:13

    And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
    - Acts 17:2

    And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
    - Acts 18:4
  11. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life

    United States
    God’s 4th commandment says nothing about Saturday. 6 days shall you work but on the 7th rest. He didn’t say the 7th day of the week.

    And it was not started by the Roman Catholic Church it was started by Paul.
  12. SabbathBlessings

    SabbathBlessings Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    Hi there.

    Here is the commandment that God wrote and spoke and kept in the Most holy of His Temple:

    Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it

    Do you know which day Jesus rose? People seem to take no issue knowing Jesus rose on the first day, but have a hard time, for some reason locating the seventh day? God's Sabbath is a weekly cycle. Six days do all our work, but the seventh we are to cease work and keep God's Sabbath day holy. The weekly cycle has never changed, which is why Jews who are still on this earth to this day, know which day is the seventh day- Saturday. It has never changed from the beginning, nor will it ever change Isaiah 66:23 because God promised His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 and He will not break His covenant. Psalms 89:34.

    That said, the Roman Catholic Church takes full credit for this change (and as predicted in the bible Daniel 7:25) not based on any biblical authority including no scripture from Paul where He deletes God's 4th commandment's and gives a new commandment to keep holy the first day.

    The change is well-documented from the Catholic church:

    It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
    —Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

    Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
    —Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

    Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

    A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

    Q. Give some examples of both?

    A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
    —Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

    Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

    A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
    —Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

    Q. In what manner can we show a Protestant, that he speaks unreasonably against fasts and abstinences?

    A. Ask him why he keeps Sunday, and not Saturday, as his day of rest, since he is unwilling either to fast or to abstain. If he reply, that the Scripture orders him to keep the Sunday, but says nothing as to fasting and abstinence, tell him the Scripture speaks of Saturday or the Sabbath, but gives no command anywhere regarding Sunday or the first day of the week.

    If, then he neglects Saturday as a day of rest and holiness, and substitutes Sunday in its place, and this merely because such was the usage of the ancient Church, should he not, if he wishes to act consistently, observe fasting and abstinence, because the ancient Church so ordained?
    —Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 181

    Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
    Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

    Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
    Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
    —Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

    Q. Must not a sensible Protestant doubt seriously, when he finds that even the Bible is not followed as a rule by his co-religionists?

    A. Surely, when he sees them baptize infants, abrogate the Jewish Sabbath, and observe Sunday for which [pg. 7] there is no Scriptural authority; when he finds them neglect to wash one another's feet, which is expressly commanded, and eat blood and things strangled, which are expressly prohibited in Scripture. He must doubt, if he think at all. ...

    Q. Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?

    A. Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy; ...
    —Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.

    The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or Seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.
    —The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

    The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
    —The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

    All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
    —The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

    ... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
    —The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
    Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
    —Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

    But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.

    They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
    —The Faith of Millions

    Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
    —Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

    If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
    —Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.
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  13. SabbathBlessings

    SabbathBlessings Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
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    The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.
    —Monsignor Louis Segur, ‘Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today’, p. 213.

    What Important Question Does the Papacy Ask Protestants?
    Protestants have repeatedly asked the papacy, "How could you dare to change God's law?" But the question posed to Protestants by the Catholic church is even more penetrating.

    Here it is officially: You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! but by whom? Who has authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, Thou shalt keep holy the Seventh day, who shall dare to say, Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the Seventh day; but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?

    This is a most important question, which I know not how you can answer. You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet in so important a matter as the observance of one day in seven as a holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded.

    The command to keep holy the Seventh day is one of the ten commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding; who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible and the Bible only, you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.
    —Library of Christian Doctrine: Why Don't You Keep Holy the Sabbath-Day? (London: Burns and Oates, Ltd.), pp. 3, 4.

    There is but one church on the face of the earth which has the power, or claims power, to make laws binding on the conscience, binding before God, binding under penalty of hell-fire. For instance, the institution of Sunday. What right has any other church to keep this day? You answer by virtue of the third commandment (the papacy did away with the 2nd regarding the worship of graven images, and called the 4th the 3rd), which says 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.'

    But Sunday is not the Sabbath. Any schoolboy knows that Sunday is the first day of the week. I have repeatedly offered one thousand dollars to anyone who will prove by the Bible alone that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep, and no one has called for the money. It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday, the Seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week.
    —T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture delivered in 1893.

    Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
    —C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

    Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.
    —Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

    The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine law". The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts a vicegerent of God upon earth
    —Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, art. Papa, II, Vol. VI, p. 29.

    The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who "takes the place" of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity.
    —John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994

    ...pastoral intuition suggested to the Church the christianization of the notion of Sunday as "the day of the sun", which was the Roman name for the day and which is retained in some modern languages.(29) This was in order to draw the faithful away from the seduction of cults which worshipped the sun, and to direct the celebration of the day to Christ, humanity's true 'sun'.
    —John Paul II, Dies Domini, 27. The day of Christ-Light, 1998 (Prominent protestant leaders agree with this statement - See here for a statement by Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the ‘Baptist Manual’)

    The Sun was a foremost god with heathen-dom…The sun has worshippers at this hour in Persia and other lands…. There is, in truth, something royal, kingly about the sun, making it a fit emblem of Jesus, the Sun of Justice. Hence the church in these countries would seem to have said, to 'Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.' And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus.
    —William Gildea, Doctor of Divinity, The Catholic World, March, 1894, p. 809

    The retention of the old pagan name of Dies Solis, for Sunday is, in a great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects - pagan and Christian alike - as the 'venerable' day of the sun.
    —Arthur P. Stanley, History of the Eastern Church, p. 184

    When St. Paul repudiated the works of the law, he was not thinking of the Ten Commandments, which are as unchangeable as God Himself is, which God could not change and still remain the infinitely holy God.
    —Our Sunday Visitor, Oct. 7, I951.

    Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays?

    Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
    —Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p.58 (Same statement in Manual of Christian Doctrine, ed. by Daniel Ferris [1916 ed.], p.67)

    Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the NEW LAW, that he himself has explicitly substituted Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as holy days. The church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.
    —Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, Washington, DC, Catholic University of America Press, Studies in Sacred Theology, No. 70.,1943, p. 2.

    If we consulted the Bible only, we should still have to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is, Saturday, with the Jews, instead of Sunday; ...
    —A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, by Rev. John Laux M.A., Benzinger Brothers, 1936 edition, Part 1.

    Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.
    —Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

    The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday. The Church altered the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of Sunday. Protestants must be rather puzzled by the keeping of Sunday when God distinctly said, 'Keep holy the Sabbath day.' The word Sunday does not come anywhere in the Bible, so, without knowing it they are obeying the authority of the Catholic Church.
    —Canon Cafferata, The Catechism Explained, p. 89.

    Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.
    —John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.
  14. HARK!

    HARK! שמע Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

    United States
    Then you missed the point.
  15. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life

    United States
    We both know that isn’t true. You know full well that Paul celebrated the Lord’s Day on Sunday so stop trying to cover it up with this false statement about the Roman Church starting that tradition. Paul was celebrating the Lord’s Day before he even went to Rome. Acts 20 records Paul celebrating the Lord’s Day on Sunday before he was arrested and eventually taken to Rome. So the Roman Church hadn’t even been established yet.
  16. HARK!

    HARK! שמע Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

    United States
    Perhaps this will help:

    Since When is the Sabbath a Fast?
  17. Carl Emerson

    Carl Emerson Well-Known Member

    New Zealand
  18. HARK!

    HARK! שמע Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

    United States
    Paul can be difficult to understand.

    Yahshua more often makes himself very clear.

    (CLV) Lk 16:17
    Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

    Do you believe Paul's words override Yahshua's words, which are his father's words; or is it possible that this conflict lies in your misunderstanding of Paul's words?
  19. SabbathBlessings

    SabbathBlessings Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    How is that a false statement when I quoted directly from the Catholic church?

    If God was going to delete one of His commandments, especially the only one He started with the word REMEMBER Jesus would have told someone. Where does Jesus tell us after He goes back to Heaven there is the new day of worship or God's new holy day? Where does Paul say it? Acts 20 does not say Gods 4th commandment is deleted and Sunday is the new holy day. You are making scripture say something is doesn't when we have God's Word that is so plainly written.

    Exodus 20:8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

    Isaiah 58"13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
    From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
    And call the Sabbath a delight,
    The holy day of the Lord honorable,
    And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
    Nor finding your own pleasure,
    Nor speaking your own words,
    14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
    And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
    And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
    The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
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  20. HARK!

    HARK! שמע Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    How so?