PURPOSE OF HEALING MINISTRIES

[Anguspure]

Do His promises given as per 2 Corinthians1:20 on the basis of the death & resurrection of Christ contain only certain rewards?

I think the parental analogy stands again. Not all things are appropriate at all times no matter how insistant the child.

In view of "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry (Habakkuk 2:3), does God delay?

He doesn't delay in doing what is Loving, that is His nature. But what we trust Him for and when we ask for it isn't always in His best interests of Love.

 

[Si_monfaith]

I think the parental analogy stands again. Not all things are appropriate at all times no matter how insistant the child.

He doesn't delay in doing what is Loving, that is His nature. But what we trust Him for and when we ask for it isn't always in His best interests of Love.

Not all things are appropriate at all times

2 Cor 1:20: "For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us".

What do you mean by "all things" & "all promises of God"?

He doesn't delay in doing what is Loving

Aren't "all His promises" "loving" to Him?

 

[Anguspure]

2 Cor 1:20: "For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us".

What do you mean by "all things" & "all promises of God"?

I do not dispute this. What I dispute is the idea that YHWH Almighty is bound to act at the behest of His children because of some formula.
Clearly He is our Father in Heaven and as fpr all fathers, He has bigger fish to fry than granting every single request of His children at the time they demand it.

Aren't "all His promises" "loving" to Him?

Yes, in His time. In His time He makes all things beautiful.

 

[now faith]

The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

I'm confused can you clarify ?

 

[now faith]

Does God promise eternal damnation for sinners?
Is that beautiful?

Hebrews 4: 12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

We stand on the promises of God, He Does not Change.
We pray by Faith knowing God's Word will not return void.
Just as God's promises can be a joy to live by, for some there are promises for disobedience that only God and the persons heart can change.

 

[Si_monfaith]

I do not dispute this. What I dispute is the idea that YHWH Almighty is bound to act at the behest of His children because of some formula.
Clearly He is our Father in Heaven and as fpr all fathers, He has bigger fish to fry than granting every single request of His children at the time they demand it.

Yes, in His time. In His time He makes all things beautiful.

Clearly He is our Father in Heaven and as fpr all fathers, He has bigger fish to fry than granting every single request of His children

So why does He expect faith in all His promises to grant every single request covered in all His promises & also says faith pleases Him?

 

[Si_monfaith]

I'm confused can you clarify ?

The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

What do you want me to clarify in this question?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Does God promise eternal damnation for sinners?
Is that beautiful?

Hebrews 4: 12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

We stand on the promises of God, He Does not Change.
We pray by Faith knowing God's Word will not return void.
Just as God's promises can be a joy to live by, for some there are promises for disobedience that only God and the persons heart can change.

Has any relevance to this thread?

 

[Anguspure]

So why does He expect faith in all His promises to grant every single request covered in all His promises & also says faith pleases Him?

For the same reason that everybody in a healthy and good relationship with another person expects that they are trusted before they act.
What YHWH establishes with His demand of faith is the nature of every good (and dare I say it marital) relationship.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Faith is words. If you cannot articulate your faith then it is not faith. It is not merely feeling good about something. It is not just a generic trusting God. Our understanding about God, who He is, and what He is like comes in the form of words. Revelation is words. Faith is words.
So when we say we have faith in God, we have to say that faith is words, not a mere positive attitude about God.
If you say you "trust" God but you cannot state with words what that belief is and what you are trusting Him for, then what you got there is a wish or at best a positive mental attitude. That is a poor substitute for real faith.. word faith.
That is why the scripture says "Hold fast to the confession of your faith."
If you cannot do that - with articulate words - then you do not have faith.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

For whatever reason... they are not believing. God has made the complete provision. It is there now and has been since the resurrection. God is not withholding it.

 

[Si_monfaith]

For the same reason that everybody in a healthy and good relationship with another person expects that they are trusted before they act.
What YHWH establishes with His demand of faith is the nature of every good (and dare I say it marital) relationship.

So you agree one's faith in Him & given by Him grants complete healing & visiting healing meetings aren't necessary?

 

[Si_monfaith]

For whatever reason... they are not believing. God has made the complete provision. It is there now and has been since the resurrection. God is not withholding it.

You mean to say WOF'ers do not believe?

 

[hhodgson]

Yet, another repeated question!

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The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

Post 40 ---->

Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

He repeated it again in Post 47!

To the forum: (Si_monfaith) came into this forum on September 14, 2019 and, as of today he posted 408 questions in that 25 day period. He entered in here using our Word of Faith nametag... and by far, most of his questions are Reformed Calvinism in nature. What's wrong with this picture?

From - 9/14/2019 to Today = 408 Posts and counting... A little research would show that he is (almost zero) in any dialoging. They are virtually all questions. We've asked him to please slow down but he continues. We may have lost Carl, and maybe even Oscarr because of this. We welcome all to come in and fellowship with us but all of his posts are very robotic and we wonder if we're talking to an Amazon Alexa machine. What do you all think? Do we have a troll in our presence?

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[Anguspure]

So you agree one's faith in Him & given by Him grants complete healing & visiting healing meetings aren't necessary?

So I think that for one person He will heal without a meeting, and for another He may want them to receive healing through the Church, or whatever other means He may wish to use. According to their faith and acvording to His will.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Yet, another repeated question!

Post 30 ---->
Post 40 ---->

He repeated it again in Post 47!

To the forum: (Si_monfaith) came into this forum on September 14, 2019 and, as of today he posted 408 questions in that 25 day period. He entered in here using our Word of Faith nametag... and by far, most of his questions are Reformed Calvinism in nature. What's wrong with this picture?

From - 9/14/2019 to Today = 408 Posts and counting... A little research would show that he is (almost zero) in any dialoging. They are virtually all questions. We've asked him to please slow down but he continues. We may have lost Carl, and maybe even Oscarr because of this. We welcome all to come in and fellowship with us but all of his posts are very robotic and we wonder if we're talking to an Amazon Alexa machine. What do you all think? Do we have a troll in our presence?

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Without digressing can you be on topic & answer, if you have an answer?

 

[Si_monfaith]

So I think that for one person He will heal without a meeting, and for another He may want them to receive healing through the Church, or whatever other means He may wish to use. According to their faith and acvording to His will.

If a sick person has faith to be healed, why does he seek the faith of another person to pray for him?

 

[Anguspure]

If a sick person has faith to be healed, why does he seek the faith of another person to pray for him?

Why not? Christianity is about relationship with God and relationship with our family in Him. If a person wishes to come before our Father with another person by His side, why should he not?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Why not? Christianity is about relationship with God and relationship with our family in Him. If a person wishes to come before our Father with another person by His side, why should he not?

Coming to God for relationship using the faith of another person?

Does God like relationship with an individual without faith in His Son's sacrifice?

 

[Anguspure]

Coming to God for relationship using the faith of another person?

Coming to God in relationship, with our family by our side. Why not?
If our faith is weak then perhaps it'll be strengthened by the encounter Him and one of our family holding our hand.

Does God like relationship with an individual without faith in His Son's sacrifice?

That He rose fromn the dead for the forgivness of sin is a basic level of faith but other ramifications are perhaps not fully understood by a person. He is patient and kind.