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Proverbs 30:30 and actual lion behaviour.

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Taeniura, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. FrumiousBandersnatch

    FrumiousBandersnatch Well-Known Member

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    Things like the Bible, you mean? ;)
     
  2. W2L

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    Interesting.
     
  3. durangodawood

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    Its like your local library. Some things in it can be taken literally. Some obviously cannot.
     
  4. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    And things literally taken must be returned...
     
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  5. Radagast

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    Actually, the New Living Translation does a very nice job translating the passage in the OP:

    There are three things that walk with stately stride—no, four that strut about:
    the lion, king of animals, who won’t turn aside for anything;
    the strutting rooster;
    the male goat;
    a king as he leads his army.


    Now, I ask you, does that passage look like it's telling us about the ethology of lions? Does "I saw a lion turn aside once" contradict the passage? Or is the passage perhaps telling us something about the behaviour of this North Korean gentleman?

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  6. W2L

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    If the lion was hungry it wouldn't turn away from a herd of buffalo. It would most likely attack from the rear, and try to take down a buffalo.
     
  7. durangodawood

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    I think youre exactly right.

    The passage is meant to be a metaphor for human behavior using poetic hyperbole of lion capabilities.
     
  8. ViaCrucis

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    Proverb 30:30 isn't a scientific treatise on the behavior of P. leo, but using the lion as an example of a strong, courageous animal?

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  9. ViaCrucis

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    If it was desperate enough that its hunger was over running its self preservation behavior--but I suspect that even a desperate lion wouldn't attack a herd, but would try and snag a young or sickly member safely far enough away from the herd.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  10. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    The Septuagint has:

    29 And there are three things which go well, and a fourth which passes along finely. 30 A lion's whelp, stronger than all other beasts, which turns not away, nor fears any beast; 31 and a cock walking in boldly among the hens, and the he-goat leading the herd; and a king publicly speaking before a nation.​

    In my opinion, the lion's whelp is Christ who turned not away nor did He feared the Jews who wanted to kill Him. He is the cock walking boldly among His disciples. He is the goat leading His disobedient people (from the Jews) and a King speaking before the Christians.
     
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  11. Chesterton

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    Threads like this are one small reason I stick around CF. Fascinating to learn how some people think. The ignorance can be jaw-dropping.
     
  12. 1 John 4:1

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    @Chesterton I think you are trolling. Announcing that you are SO much more learned than some other people on this thread that you find their posts fascinating (by virtue of them being jaw-droppingly ignorant) is bound to get a negative response.
     
  13. Chesterton

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    You're wrong about trolling but probably right about the rest of it.
     
  14. Ophiolite

    Ophiolite Recalcitrant Procrastinator

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    Come now. Surely Chesterton comes across as a pleasant chap who is very humble, perhaps because he has much to be humble about. :)
     
  15. Ophiolite

    Ophiolite Recalcitrant Procrastinator

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    You may be right. Only yesterday I said to my wife, "Honey, please don't badger me." And she replied that she didn't care.
     
  16. Radagast

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    Well, no, actually. This is not a prophetic passage.
     
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  18. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    And when I thought that limiting the interpretation to the prophetic sense would be more acceptable... how about a tropological one?

    A lion’s whelp is a determined mind that directs all its anger against the passions of the flesh (the beast) and does not turn away from, nor is afraid of bodily labors. A cock* is a chaste disposition that remains cool** amidst the pleasures of the body. A goat leading the herd, is he who has gained control over evil thoughts and is no more led by them to act sinfully. And finally, a king speaking in the assembly of a nation is the mind that reigns over the senses and convincingly refutes the suggestions of the demons (the nation).

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    * The Greek word for cock, ἀλέκτωρ also means unwedded.
    ** The word translated as boldly, εὔψυχος relates to cooling.
     
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  19. Radagast

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    That doesn't impress me either.
     
  20. icxn

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    I piped to you the prophecy about Christ and you did not dance. I sang the dirge of repentance like St. John and you did not mourn.

    What else can I say?
     
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