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They understand it quite well. They dedicate their entire lives to studying it. This is just you moving the goal posts because you don't want evolution to be true.

No sir. I honestly believe that its far from being understood fully.
 
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You missed my point i think.
 
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No sir. I honestly believe that its far from being understood fully.

You keep saying that, but have given nothing but your opinion. Actually give us evidence that scientists don't understand everything about evolution.
 
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I didnt say it was wrong, i only said that they are looking for a needle in a haystack, and they wont be finding it any time soon. Well, i know you think that evolution theory is conclusive, but i must remain skeptical.
 
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Thats just the way God created bacteria. Its supposed to mutate like that.

Wrong. Mutations are random and natural selection is non random. There was an experiment run to demonstrate this by breeding many many many generations and populations of bacteria and then introducing penicillin into the populations later. The bacteria populations with the resistant mutation were already there before being introduced to the penicillin. They were awarded the Nobel Prize for this. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_07
 
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I didnt say it was wrong, i only said that they are looking for a needle in a haystack, and they wont be finding it any time soon. Well, i know you think that evolution theory is conclusive, but i must remain skeptical.

I never said that evolution is conclusive. I do accept that it is the single best theory that science has for how life created the various species of life on Earth, purely because no-one has given any single evidence to show that God or some other deity started this process, only claims.
And again: you keep making the claim that scientists don't know everything. Can you give any evidence to back up your claim?
 
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You keep saying that, but have given nothing but your opinion. Actually give us evidence that scientists don't understand everything about evolution.

I did but you didn't acknowledge it. They dont understand DNA fully, yet they use it as evidence, thats one example. Basically they are wanting me to believe that although they are far from understanding the mysteries of DNA, that they can still tell me what happened millions of years ago, by using that DNA, and watching some bacteria mutate, and by observing some inconclusive fossil evidence. Is there anything more than that? Because if there isnt i must remain skeptical for now.
 
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Lets say that God created this world, just for argument sake. Surely God created everything from the same source, so naturally everything would be related and share DNA.

This is something I've never understood.

Creationists often talk as if everything sharing DNA is something we should expect if life was created by the same being.

Why?

God - at least, the God that most creationists champion - is a being with infinite resources. He can make anything anyway he wants. Couldn't he have just as easily designed life in such a way that animals don't share DNA?
 
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I just did
 
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You saying "they don't know" isn't evidence. That's just your claim. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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They dont understand DNA fully, yet they use it as evidence, thats one example.

Except that they DO understand DNA. They've sequenced entire genomes!

It's you that doesn't understand it and it sounds like you don't want to understand it because you're afraid of the conclusions.

Is there anything more than that? Because if there isnt i must remain skeptical for now.

You haven't demonstrated any desire to learn. You just want to hand wave everything away and make claims that geneticists don't understand what they're looking at, when in actuality they do. Stop trying to move the goal posts. It's a dishonest fallacy.
 
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All software designers are creators. They live and exist in a world outside the rules of computer language. They create within the world of computer language where their creations must follow the rules. They are not subject to such limitations.

This is exactly like our creator. He exists outside the rules of our dimension. He created us based on the rules of our dimension but is not confined by them or limited by them.

Our world is created by intelligent design. Software designers function in a similar type of world.
 
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What about this idea of Junk DNA? I thought that some DNA that was previously thought to be junk, but ended up having a purpose after all. That just shows me that they lack proper understanding of DNA. I gotta go friend. I would have loved to talk about it a little but i cant answer three different people at one time. Thank you and have a nice day.
 
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Evolution isn't just about similarities, it's about the PATTERN of similiarities. Evolution forms branching lines of descent into a nested hierchy. Cars DON'T.
Similar design equals same designer.
 
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Similar design equals same designer.

Different designs can equal the same designer. There's nothing stopping a designer from using new designs.
Similar designs can equal different designers. There's nothing stopping different designers from coming up with a similar design.

Same design doesn't equal the same designer, and different designs don't mean different designers.

Oh, and can you show any human designs that fall into a nested hierchy? Because you'd be the first creationist I've ever seen do that.
 
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This is exactly like our creator. He exists outside the rules of our dimension. He created us based on the rules of our dimension but is not confined by them or limited by them.

This is special pleading. What tests can you run that support your claim?

Our world is created by intelligent design.

Not according to the multiple court cases ID has lost. What evidence do you have?
 
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