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Protest Wednesday

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by JohnDB, Jan 15, 2021.

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  1. Albion

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    No, but this is an example of something that is repeated all the time on forums like this one. I refer to taking things out of context or misinterpreting what is there or falling for patently false reporting.

    The Daily Kos (a far-left publication of no credibility) reported that the FBI had received a report of a huge gathering that was intent upon marching upon Washington. Some other sources printed a similar story. Then social media picked it up as well as search engines. You and others (I suppose) thought they'd read that the FBI had uncovered such a plot.
     
  2. whatbogsends

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    You've pretty much told us that no matter what the left does now, the right will be violent as retribution to being marginalized, and the left is deserving of that retribution.


    Really, you think it works out best when both sides work together? Maybe you should tell this guy then:

    You're saying it works out best when both sides to work together, but your goal is to "stoke the embers so that maybe both sides will kill each other"

    You were actively claiming to be working toward people being gunned down/civil war. Now you don't want to see it?

    Hint: Your objective (what you want) should be related to what you're doing (you're actions).

    In your case your objective appears to be: "I don't want to see either side marginalized or gunned down"

    But what you're doing appears to be: "stoking the embers so that maybe both sides will kill each other "

    You're at war with yourself.
     
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  3. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    They tried to de-escalate, then the terrorists beat them with American flags, killed one of them, and ran through the capitol building chanting about murdering the vice president and Pelosi.

    The time for de-escalation has passed. It is now "stop or we will shoot" territory.
     
  4. GreatLakes4Ever

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    Do the people on the Right have any responsibilities in diffusing the situation? If yes, what are they? If not, why not?
     
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  5. bekkilyn

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    Nope, no lip service to terrorism. Bad idea. If a physical civil war happens, then it will happen because people within the U.S. decided to attack our government and its citizens and it is not the job of the citizens who support our democracy and system of government to negotiate with terrorists in order to make them feel happier and more content when they are bombing and killing us. Obama spent 8 years compromising and negotiating with the extreme right and they continued to become more and more radical and here is where they have brought us. Biden needs a firm stance and to make it very clear to far right radicals that WE WILL NOT tolerate their attacks against this country and against democracy.

    They've even gone so far as to boot out conservatives and declare conservatives as "not true conservatives" and traitors who deserve to be killed and even hung, and yet people are still going on about how we need to bend over backwards and compromise with these people.

    This is one of those times when citizens who are truly invested in the values of democracy and freedom need to learn to say NO, difficult as it may be.
     
  6. JohnDB

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    WOW...
    Do you think that hyperbole expressions can't be written on forums by an average person?
    Especially when it's obvious...

    Have you had this problem a lot?
    Maybe the internet is not a good place for you.
     
  7. whatbogsends

    whatbogsends Senior Veteran

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    If you think that what you're doing is hyperbole, you're mistaken. Hyperbole is exaggerating to make a point. You're directly contradicting yourself.

    Some would call that kind of dishonesty "being caught in a lie".

    People being dishonest about their intentions and desires isn't a problem with me, it's a problem with them.

    The internet is a great place for correcting disinformation and calling out dishonesty.
     
  8. Strathos

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    You need to understand that US conservatives these days define 'Marxism' as any policy to the left of Mussolini.
     
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  9. JohnDB

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    WOW...
    I'm completely flummoxed at your machinations.
    I heard people like you existed but I thought it was just play acting in comedic sketches....but you really believe this eh?

    WOW....just wow.
     
  10. whatbogsends

    whatbogsends Senior Veteran

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    That you're flummoxed by someone believing in honesty in communication goes a long way to explaining the stream of disinformation you proffer.
     
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  11. Speedwell

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    Seems an accurate analysis of your posting style to me.
     
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  12. Albion

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    You've said a lot in that post, and I agree with some of it. However, the notion that "virtually no one on the left supports Marxism" --is amazingly untrue.

    Biden himself probably is not, but when Democratic members of Congress are crowing about being part of ''Democratic Socialists of America,''** refer to themselves as Socialists, and one at least has been a candidate for elective office running as a candidate of a Socialist party...there is no question about influential people "on the left" being Marxists.

    It's a correct observation by definition and doesn't even depend for its accuracy upon us taking a look at the various pieces of Socialist legislation that they want Congress to enact into law.

    ** Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia
     
  13. Speedwell

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    All socialists are Marxists now?
     
  14. Larnievc

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    Their actions being not vote for Mr Trump?

    That sounds very Insurectionismalistic.
     
  15. iluvatar5150

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    What’s going to happen is all the black folks are going to stand up and say “i told you so.”

    How much coddling does the right need? They’re the ones who chose for themselves to follow hacks, hate mongers, and charlatans like Limbaugh, Hannity, Alex Jones, and Trump. They’re the ones who chose to sell out to corporate powers who don’t care about them. They’re the ones who, at best, turned a blind eye to the racists and bigots in their midst. They’re the ones who shot themselves in the foot by adopting austerity policies in order to make sure that the undeserving people beneath them wouldn’t get what they don’t deserve. They’re the ones who chose to engage in a cartoonish form of idol worship with Trump. And they’re the ones who chose to buy into his lies about the election.

    It’s hard to argue that some 46% of the country could be marginalized in any way, especially when they control all or most of the branches of government. But if they are, in any way, marginalized, it’s their own fault, for engaging in a bunch of moronic, whiny behavior, blaming everybody else for their problems.

    The right has adopted all the patterns of an abusive partner: bad behavior, violence, irrationality, blame-shifting, gaslighting, refusing to accept consequences. God forbid the rest of start establishing some boundaries.
     
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  16. durangodawood

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    War Pigs.
    Second to last line.
     
  17. gaara4158

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    What if I find my house is getting robbed and in disgust join the robbers? That wouldn’t make any sense. What you’re describing would be a military coup which, if successful, would end democracy as we know it and make us what’s called a “banana republic.”
     
  18. durangodawood

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    Lots of Americans are now more attached to having a particular person in power than to our constitutional republic.

    This is pretty disturbing.
     
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  19. Speedwell

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    But it would be a Christian banana republic which is OK, because that's what they've wanted all along.
     
  20. Akita Suggagaki

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    Scientific American has something to say about coping:

    "When the mind is hijacked for the benefit of the abuser, it becomes no longer a matter of presenting facts or appealing to logic. Removing Trump from power and influence will be healing in itself. But, I advise, first, not to confront [his supporters’] beliefs, for it will only rouse resistance. Second, persuasion should not be the goal but change of the circumstance that led to their faulty beliefs. Third, one should maintain one’s own bearing and mental health, because people who harbor delusional narratives tend to bulldoze over reality in their attempt to deny that their own narrative is false."


    The ‘Shared Psychosis’ of Donald Trump and His Loyalists
     
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