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Protest Wednesday

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by JohnDB, Jan 15, 2021.

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  1. Elliewaves

    Elliewaves Untouchable internet saint

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    The team with the suicide bombers lost the war.
     
  2. cow451

    cow451 The Most Interesting Poster in the Forum Supporter

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    Even the violence carried out on behalf of Trump's incessant lying about the election and being unable to subvert Congress and the legal system will not undo America. You seem invested in the notion that America will be "undone", but you are mistaken.
     
  3. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    Look who’s marginalizing the right wing now.
     
  4. GreatLakes4Ever

    GreatLakes4Ever Well-Known Member

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    It’s nice to see you lump in the insurrectionists in with violent terrorists.

    You talked a lot about what the people on the Left have to do to lower the temperature in this country. What responsibilities do the people on the Right have in diffusing this situation?
     
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  5. Desk trauma

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    As I said, they can go toe to toe with less than lethal riot suppression tactics, not deadly force. There is a vast chasm between taking a beating and giving up ones life. They would be clutching their pearls and screaming "how could you?!?" just like the seditionists at the capital if one of their comrades was shot down not swarming the breach over top of their remains.

    As much as many on the fringes of the right or left think they are revolutionaries or patriots almost to a man they are nothing but soft, privileged Americans who lack the courage of their convictions when it actually starts to cost them something.
     
  6. lasthero

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    Neither is presenting evidence and reasoned arguments.

    That’s the thing about suicide bombers - they tend not be reasonable people.
     
  7. SimplyMe

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    It is hard to take you seriously when you claim that all on the Right have jobs and all on the left are just sitting on their couch taking handouts.

    I'm also fascinated how a VP allegedly has complete control (as opposed to any control, in reality) over the criminal justice system -- how does that work?

    As for "violence," President-Elect Biden has spoken out against it numerous times. The issue, as many state, is the lies on the Right. I see claims on the Right how Biden needs to quit supporting the violence, rather than what he has actually done. That Biden is a puppet, that he will bring in Marxism -- when virtually no one on the left supports "Marxism." What Biden says at this point is irrelevant because they aren't listening to him, and even if they were they aren't going to trust what he says. And, for the moment, Biden has no power to make anything happen -- in fact, as has been pointed out, he has been specifically blocked from even trying to start his transition into office until the last week.
     
  8. JohnDB

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    But the Left could give some lip service to the Right...it will go a long way to healing the nation.

    Personally I think both sides are wrong...
    But it is both sides, when working together, that actually works out well for everyone.

    I don't want to see either side marginalized or gunned down. Our greatest tragedy was the civil war and ALL the reasons it happened.

    I really don't want to see one.
     
  9. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    That only happens when both sides work in good faith. The right has not done that. See SCOTUS.
     
  10. lasthero

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    No, it won't. Trump's worshippers have made it abundantly clear that they're not interested in things like 'facts'. They want to live in their little fantasy land where Trump was robbed of an election and they're the brave freedom fighters resisting whatever NWO Pizzagate Nazi nonsense they believe in. As far as I'm concerned, they can stay there.

    The South didn't try to secede because the North 'marginalized them', it was because they were really hung up on this whole idea of owning other human beings, and Abraham Lincoln was kind of like 'Nah, stop that'.
     
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  11. JohnDB

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    You don't have to take me seriously to come to some sort of conclusion.

    Around half the nation is feeling very marginalized by the other half.

    The marginalized half is very much into action and owning firearms. They idealize it wholeheartedly and have recently entered risk and actualized on their beliefs when voting. (They don't stay home)

    On top of this there's a hundred of false prophets telling them that God is going to bless an armed insurrection. (Totally wackanoodle conspiracy theory stuff)

    Now... you tell me what this environment is going to lead to.
     
  12. Elliewaves

    Elliewaves Untouchable internet saint

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    The military stepping in and putting them down if they try anything; that is what it will lead to. They know who these people are and the why and what they are trying to accomplish. The military, police, secret service, FBI, etc...are not going to be joining them mid protest. They will be protecting the US from domestic terrorism and they will win. Trump told them to stop the violence, did he not? They need to take personal responsibility and also listen to him and take him at his word about that. Instead many caught up in it are trying to figure out Morse code because they believe trump is sending them another message through blinks (yes really).
     
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  13. Tigger45

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    Just more banana republic propaganda.
     
  14. 7thKeeper

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    Well you need to stop right there and roll while someone puts out your pants, they're flaming hot. The protests themselves were peaceful by a vast majority and those who did end up rioting and looting, either opportunistically while the protests were going or due to misguided anger were looked for and prosecuted by the law for their actions. Sometimes helped by the protesters identifying the people doing illegalities.

    Now the difference that you don't seem to grasp that is causing or is one of the causes why people see these differently, is that for example, with BLM, people see that there is actual cause to the protests. It's on camera and people can understand the reason. They may not agree with how some people take out that anger (protesting Vs violance), but they understand the root cause and can see that it exists.

    In the second case, people don't see the root cause. We hear about election fraud and stealing the election, but no one is able to show that it actually happened. Worse, the more prominent few cases of actual intentional fraud (and not just mistakes that were caught and corrected), have been from people who tried to fraud for the side that's supporters and members are claiming that they were frauded. So people look at this, see anger and violance and also protesting and react differently. Of course they would. Even if it was all just protesting, they would. Because there is reality backing one side and none on the other.

    Oh, and I need to quote this part again.
    Nice stereotyping there. Left (with a capital letter for some odd reason) dont work and are just collecting checks, but The Right are all just hard workers who *gasp* had to wear masks. I get that this is your smear against voting by mail, but thats not a thing limited by your political affiliation. Anyone can do it if they wish.
     
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  15. Yttrium

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    Nah. I'm not seeing it. I'm sitting here in the middle, and I don't see the Right feeling marginalized by the Left. I see a lot of loyal Trump supporters following delusional conspiracy theories, leading them to riot in the nation's capitol, and possibly to act violently some more in the near future. The loyal Trump supporters might be on the Right, but they're hardly the entire Right.

    There might be a few Trumpist moles in the police and military, but not enough to make a difference in any upcoming Trumpist rioting.
     
  16. Albion

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    Sure. I'll tell you. 96% of the marginalized group do not and will not buy into the preaching of those false prophets. So, once again, stop fretting. You have much more to worry about when respectable politicians, elected officials, and candidates praise and alibi for the terrorists on the other end of the political spectrum, as we saw happen over the summer.
     
  17. JohnDB

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    You are soooo missing the point.

    The stereotype was of the Right wingers stating what they believe about the Left...
    (And you capitalize when using a proper name of a group)

    But the truth is that Right wingers are gathering a huge storm of armed protesters...

    Why does this have to end in bloodshed when there are easy and simple things to do to de-escalate the situation?
     
  18. lasthero

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    Ha! Tell that Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.
     
  19. JohnDB

    JohnDB Regular Member

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    The FBI is completely disagreeing with you.
     
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  20. Albion

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    There is absolutely no evidence of that happening.
     
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