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Their are different kinds of the prophetic anointing, but prophets should regularly move in the gift of prophecy and other revelation gifts (word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discernment of spirits) on a consistent basis.

The Lord Himself pointed this out.

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Cor 12:4-6

Prophecy in the New Covenant is to speak edification, exhortation, and comfort to the church of God.

This is in the New Testament.

Although I am obviously not your judge, it is very unusual to not minister to the body of Christ as this is who the five fold ministry primarily serves. This is to keep the body from being deceived by every wind of doctrine.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:11-16


For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1 Cor 14:31

(This includes you.)

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1 Cor 14:1-4

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1 Cor 14:38-39

It is difficult to believe that you would not be in unity with the body no just because that is whom you primarily serve, but because you are called to receive of the same ministry from that same body. Their is not one part of the body that does not need the rest of the body to be complete and whole.


And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
1 Cor 12:21

The fruits of walking fully in God's plan should be an abundant life, full of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Your soul should be made fat, and your body healthy. Your walk should be primarily free from oppression (although not attacks), and the glory of God should be manifest on a regular basis.


But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 15:5

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:10


Hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isaiah 55:2

Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
Psalms 103:2-5

Only you can judge your own fruits, but not forsaking the assembly of the brethren is scriptural and the Holy Spirit does not oppose the scripture.

For every tree is known by his own fruit.
Luke 6:44

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:25

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
Psalms 133:1-3

Th enemy separates. The Lord can and will separate someone for a season and interaction with the body might well seem very restricted in your walk. Keep in mind that your primary ministry is to the body. If you're not moving in the gifts among the body, you won't be fulfilled and have the above described fruits.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matt 12:33

Methinks your vision of God and who He loves is too small.
I meant to tell you sister, that your font is too small! It' a strain to read for those who don't have the vision you do.

I would recommend that you obtain and read (from Amazon.com) "The Shaping of an Apostle". Although it speaks about the apostolic anointing, she talks a lot about being a prophet, and their ministry to the body.


Kenneth Hagin's "Ministry of a Prophet" is very good too. The Lord appeared to him and explained the ministry gifts.


When I first read your testimony about your work in Thailand, I thought, "Sounds like the provision of the Lord". Whatever He calls you to do, that He provides for. But being permanently separated from the body is not of God. I'm not criticizing your place, I just don't want to see you outside of the plan of God in some measure. The fruits should be apparent.


The whole counsel of God is part of the preaching the gospel of the kingdom. A prophet's call is wonderful and it should minister to the body. No believer's life is in the fullness of God's plan unless they are partaking of the prophet's ministry. It is important that we line up our lives with the Word, and the Holy Spirit will do just that. It is important for the prophet to be partaking of the other ministries as well. Every believer has a ministry and it will not reach its full potential unless we work together.


Again, judge your own fruits. Consider also that if their are strongholds in a believer's life, when they their "fruit" or specialty is confronted with the Word of God (brought out in to the light), the host is made uncomfortable and they typically react in an ungodly way.


I'm on your side sister, as you fulfill the gospel. We are all to be transparent with one another and share freely.


God is going to work a wonderful work in the church and unity (sadly lacking today) is going go be the hallmark. We are going to join together as never before.


And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:11-14
 
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I understand about wanting to tell others of false prophesies said especially those about having children. But as believers we can't have unforgiveness in our hearts (Matt 18). It doesn't mean that you have to be around them or anything. Though I know how hard it can be to do. But someone posted the other day there's nothing in Scripture for us to do that can't we do with His help.
 
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1Co 14:3 But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.

Fortune tellers do not hear from God. Prophets speak what they hear God say. I'd be more concerned with a prophet who speaks out personal correction in front of everyone. Would God humiliate His child? He speaks to strengthen, encourage and comfort us.
 
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1Co 14:3 But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.

Fortune tellers do not hear from God. Prophets speak what they hear God say. I'd be more concerned with a prophet who speaks out personal correction in front of everyone. Would God humiliate His child? He speaks to strengthen, encourage and comfort us.


You are correct. God does not humiliate people. It is not in His nature. Jesus is the kindest person you will ever meet, and He would not speak out personal correction in front of others. If your pastor publicly dealt with a young man's masturbation problem in front of the whole congregation, he would be seen as an unkind, insensitive person, and many people would leave his church, and the elders would be reconsidering whether he is the right person to pastor that church. If that would be the case, would you not think that God would have a higher standard of care and sensitivity?

What God showed me about the word of knowledge is that if a word of knowledge is likely to cause embarrassment or humiliation, then I would accept that the word of knowledge is for me to give me a deeper insight of the issue affecting the person, and to wait for the followup prophecy that would lift up the person and encourage him or her to put a stronger dependence of Jesus to put things right. What would happen is that the rest of the people would not know the embarrassing issue, but the person receiving the prophecy would know full well that Jesus knows all about it and this can bring the necessary correction in itself.

If someone comes out with a word of knowledge that embarrasses, humiliates people and divides churches, then the knowledge may be accurate but misinterpreted as to who is is directed to. This mainly comes about through incompetent teaching about the gift.

The difference between psychic phenomena and NT prophecy is the question of who is glorified. The psychic is the one who is glorified, and his revelations may be amazingly accurate. But with NT prophecy, the method may be similar and the prophecies accurate, but it is Jesus who is lifted up and glorified. That is the difference.
 
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Would you consider John the baptist a prophet?

Jesus said he was.

Would you consider his messages to be encouraging or uplifting?

John the Baptist was not prophesying to New Testament born again Christians. He was the last of the OT prophets and he was calling the backslidden Jewish nation to repentance. There is no record that John gave personal prophecies to individuals.

The New Testament prophet's role is to show the heart of God to the Church in general. The heart of God consists of the attributes of the fruit of the Spirit. The NT prophet always reflects that we are in the day of grace, and that it is the goodness of God that brings people to repentance. Remember that the ministry of the NT prophet is to the Church, which is made up of born again believers who have had their sins totally cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

A person purporting to be a NT prophet going around revealing sin in people and giving judgmental prophecies does not have that genuine ministry. Also, a NT prophet is not a prophet to the pagan nations. The only message to the pagans is through the evangelist.

The the so called prophecies given to the USA and other countries, predicting earthquakes, droughts, and other natural occurences, through self appointed prophets is largely self generated and not supernatural at all.

But a NT prophet who has a personal session with a political leader sharing the heart of God toward the nation, is a very specialised ministry given to specially chosen mature men and women of God. They are usually private and confidential and not published.
 
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Would you consider John the baptist a prophet?

Jesus said he was.

Would you consider his messages to be encouraging or uplifting?

"Prepare the Way of the Lord" ... ya, I'd say that's pretty encouraging.
"“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” ... Turn from the way you are currently living, the Kingdom of God is on the horizon....I can't think of a more encouraging message.
 
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It is possible for unrepentant Christians, or even the world who are in attendance at church to have their "mail" read.

David Wilkerson was preaching where people were laughing at his message of repentance and the Lordship of Jesus and he proceeded to reveal very serious sins to the extreme humiliation of the guilty. This went on just long enough for people to realize that their sins were coming up and people started to rush for repentance. Although it began with guilt, conviction set in to the hearers with this supernatural revelation.

The Word mentions being convinced of all when an unbeliever was present at a meeting. The thoughts of their heart were no doubt being revealed and they affirm that God is among them.

God pointed out to David Taylor in a face to face apperance that the allowance of unrepented sin in a congregation keeps the glory from being manifested in the church. A spirit of judgment will eventually come and either bring the sinning saints to repentance or allow them to go into gross darkness. I believe that God does strive long with us. For the sake of His church, this will only go on for so long and either God will judge the minister and the congregation will suffer, or else bring judgment on the individual(s).

I have heard prophetic words where the Lord told specific listeners to get about doing what He had previously told them. It was not embarrassing and the Lord made sure everyone was built up and encouraged. He also gave space for repentance and love prevailed, although it did have a measure of correction.

We'll probably see less sin in the church when the gifts manifest more like the Corinthian church did in Paul's letters. The fruits will be the reverent fear of the Lord and the glory of God.
 
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The famine prophesied in the NT wasn't uplifting to the folks back then nor were Paul's prophetic words. But they were able to prepare for the famine (Acts 11) and Paul knew there wasn't going to be a parade in his honor (Acts 21 was one he received). Therefore, these are examples of authentic prophecy.

Also, exhortation can mean restorative. So corrective words can be given with much love - love as in Matt 22:37-39.

Then of course we have Amos 3:7 (KJV) "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." But love is in the delivery which sometimes will include intercession.
 
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What I'm saying is - initially sometimes prophesy may not be uplifting. But like with the famine being prophesied, they should have been comforted - that Yahweh cared for them to let them know it was going to happen and they were able to prepare. In Paul's case, he didn't go into that situation not knowing what was going to happen to him. Yahweh was going to be with them no matter what - just like He is with us.
 
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Their are different kinds of the prophetic anointing, but prophets should regularly move in the gift of prophecy and other revelation gifts (word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discernment of spirits) on a consistent basis.
:kiss:Agreed.
The Lord Himself pointed this out.

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Cor 12:4-6

Prophecy in the New Covenant is to speak edification, exhortation, and comfort to the church of God.
:kiss:
Agreed.
This is in the New Testament.

Although I am obviously not your judge, it is very unusual to not minister to the body of Christ as this is who the five fold ministry primarily serves.


:kiss:Disagree. For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only son... Some still need to hear.
This is to keep the body from being deceived by every wind of doctrine.

:kiss:Doesn't seem to be working too good. I think better to rely on the Holy Spirit and the Bible.


And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:11-16


For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1 Cor 14:31

(This includes you.)

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1 Cor 14:1-4

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1 Cor 14:38-39

It is difficult to believe that you would not be in unity with the body no just because that is whom you primarily serve, but because you are called to receive of the same ministry from that same body. Their is not one part of the body that does not need the rest of the body to be complete and whole.


:kiss:Agreed. I don't see how me serving God in a Buddhist country separates me from the body. Yes my body is physically in another place, but by that one Spirit I am still a part of the body.


And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
1 Cor 12:21

The fruits of walking fully in God's plan should be an abundant life, full of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Your soul should be made fat, and your body healthy. Your walk should be primarily free from oppression (although not attacks), and the glory of God should be manifest on a regular basis.

:kiss:Agreed.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 15:5

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:10


Hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isaiah 55:2

Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
Psalms 103:2-5

Only you can judge your own fruits, but not forsaking the assembly of the brethren is scriptural and the Holy Spirit does not oppose the scripture.

:kiss:Agreed. I chat with every Christian that walks into my cafe. Frequently we pray together. Many of my employees are Christian, we don't share a language, but we know we are brothers and sisters of the same Father and He provides us moments of pure love to share - without words.


For every tree is known by his own fruit.
Luke 6:44

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:25

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
Psalms 133:1-3

Th enemy separates. The Lord can and will separate someone for a season and interaction with the body might well seem very restricted in your walk. Keep in mind that your primary ministry is to the body. If you're not moving in the gifts among the body, you won't be fulfilled and have the above described fruits.

:kiss:Agreed.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matt 12:33

I meant to tell you sister, that your font is too small! It' a strain to read for those who don't have the vision you do.

:kiss:Simply ask me to use a larger font. No need to upbraid me.

I would recommend that you obtain and read (from Amazon.com) "The Shaping of an Apostle". Although it speaks about the apostolic anointing, she talks a lot about being a prophet, and their ministry to the body.


Kenneth Hagin's "Ministry of a Prophet" is very good too. The Lord appeared to him and explained the ministry gifts.


:kiss:I have read plenty of Kenneth Hagin in the past. I don't need 2nd hand instruction. The Lord has instruct me in my ministry also. Not in everyone else's ministry, but only in mine. Perhaps that was also the Lord's intention when He instructed Mr. Hagin.


When I first read your testimony about your work in Thailand, I thought, "Sounds like the provision of the Lord". Whatever He calls you to do, that He provides for. But being permanently separated from the body is not of God. I'm not criticizing your place, I just don't want to see you outside of the plan of God in some measure. The fruits should be apparent.


:kiss:You're concern is not necessary. God provides for me very well. All of my needs; spiritual, physical, emotional and psychological, He meets as He sees fit. I have learned to live happily in His yoke.

The whole counsel of God is part of the preaching the gospel of the kingdom. A prophet's call is wonderful and it should minister to the body. No believer's life is in the fullness of God's plan unless they are partaking of the prophet's ministry. It is important that we line up our lives with the Word, and the Holy Spirit will do just that. It is important for the prophet to be partaking of the other ministries as well. Every believer has a ministry and it will not reach its full potential unless we work together.


Again, judge your own fruits. Consider also that if their are strongholds in a believer's life, when they their "fruit" or specialty is confronted with the Word of God (brought out in to the light), the host is made uncomfortable and they typically react in an ungodly way.


I'm on your side sister, as you fulfill the gospel. We are all to be transparent with one another and share freely.


God is going to work a wonderful work in the church and unity (sadly lacking today) is going go be the hallmark. We are going to join together as never before.


And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:11-14


:kiss:Not all saints that are to be saints are saints yet. So my work continues until the Lord calls me home.

BTW, the entire tone of your post, gives me the creepy feel of how a cult manipulates people: Condescension, unnecessary correction and excessive scripture poorly interpreted.
 
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I said: Although I am obviously not your judge, it is very unusual to not minister to the body of Christ as this is who the five fold ministry primarily serves.
Disagree. For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only son... Some still need to hear.

Yes, we are all called to minister to the lost. But the five fold ministry have a burden to minister to the Body of Christ as is demonstrated here:

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:11-16
:kiss:Doesn't seem to be working too good. I think better to rely on the Holy Spirit and the Bible.

It is supposed to work just fine. That is part of the purpose of the church. It provides leadership to the body with an anointing with the voice of the shepherd. If it is not working very well, let the Lord lead to you to the fellowship where His shepherds have a heart after God. You have to be around them to avail of their ministry also.
Agreed. I don't see how me serving God in a Buddhist country separates me from the body. Yes my body is physically in another place, but by that one Spirit I am still a part of the body.

God send people into all lands. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with serving in a Buddhist country. The separation takes place when you do not serve and fellowship with the body. The Holy Spirit will not lead you in a way that will defy the Word of God. He always agrees. Unity is one of the big things the Holy Spirit works.
Agreed. I chat with every Christian that walks into my cafe. Frequently we pray together. Many of my employees are Christian, we don't share a language, but we know we are brothers and sisters of the same Father and He provides us moments of pure love to share - without words.

There is an unspoken language of love that others can see. We are called to edify one another and if we trump an uncertain sound, how is someone going to say amen? It's like speaking in tongues. It is good to do so, but it is better to edify in a way that provides understanding (to your words) than many words in tongues. Also, people need to have the gospel preached to them in order to receive conviction by the Holy Spirit and repent. They cannot repent if they do not know what to believe.

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:25

This is pretty straightforward. Asking you to submit to this is not being manipulative. We are all to submit to this.

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!....for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
Psalms 133:1,3
Simply ask me to use a larger font. No need to upbraid me.

Ah, sister, I would never upbraid you. I want to encourage you to come into unity with the rest of the body. The enemy does not want you to receive this message because if he can isolate you, he can keep you from being as effective as you can be. He can keep you from the full revelation the Holy Spirit wants to impart to the body.
I have read plenty of Kenneth Hagin in the past. I don't need 2nd hand instruction. The Lord has instruct me in my ministry also.
We have the anointing that abides within that teaches us how to abide in His love. We are given the five fold ministry to teach and groom us, in addition to keeping us from being deceived. We are to hear and submit to the anointing (as we discern truth). The Lord has not given His individual sheep ALL of these anointings and ministrations. This is why we are to gather in unity with the rest of the body, in particular the five fold ministry. We cannot say to the other ministries: "I don't need you".
You're concern is not necessary. God provides for me very well. All of my needs; spiritual, physical, emotional and psychological, He meets as He sees fit. I have learned to live happily in His yoke.

You may have found some similitude of contentment, but again, God will not lead you in a way that opposes His Word. I run across many who separate themselves from the body in the name of serving God.

I said: No believer's life is in the fullness of God's plan unless they are partaking of the prophet's ministry.

This goes for everyone in all churches. If you do not partake of this ministry, you will suffer a measure of lack in your life, in spirit and very likely the natural as well, as your spirituality will ultimately be profitable unto all things.

I said: Every believer has a ministry and it will not reach its full potential unless we work together.

I said: Consider also that if their are strongholds in a believer's life, when they their "fruit" or specialty is confronted with the Word of God (brought out in to the light), the host is made uncomfortable and they typically react in an ungodly way.
BTW, the entire tone of your post, gives me the creepy feel of how a cult manipulates people: Condescension, unnecessary correction and excessive scripture poorly interpreted.

It is not manipulation to point out the truth of the Word of God. No condescension either because I speak these things not to magnify myself, or to exert some authority over you, and do not seek to lead you to any particular fellowship. Rather I speak the truth in love. What I say to you I might say to anyone who professes Christ.

I'm on your side sister, as you fulfill the gospel. We are all to be transparent with one another and share freely.

It appears that you are easily offended. I would surmise that people in the body have wounded you or exercised authority in the flesh. That is not the Lord's will. By the anointing, the Lord can break this yoke and help you to thrive without receiving offense.

It is a beautiful thing and I pray that the Lord draws you into a working unity with His body.
 
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It appears that you are easily offended. I would surmise that people in the body have wounded you or exercised authority in the flesh. That is not the Lord's will. By the anointing, the Lord can break this yoke and help you to thrive without receiving offense.

You surmise incorrectly on all your surmises about me. Actually, you appear to be deeply offended by me.

 
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I said; It appears that you are easily offended. I would surmise that people in the body have wounded you or exercised authority in the flesh. That is not the Lord's will. By the anointing, the Lord can break this yoke and help you to thrive without receiving offense.
You surmise incorrectly on all your surmises about me. Actually, you appear to be deeply offended by me.

Concerning availing yourself of "body ministry"
...Methinks your vision of God and who He loves is too small.

I said: I meant to tell you sister, that your font is too small! It' a strain to read for those who don't have the vision you do.
...Simply ask me to use a larger font. No need to upbraid me.

Concerning availing yourself of instruction concerning the prophet's ministry...
...I don't need 2nd hand instruction...

BTW, the entire tone of your post, gives me the creepy feel of how a cult manipulates people: Condescension, unnecessary correction and excessive scripture poorly interpreted.
I am sorry sister that you are unable to hear the Word concerning serving and fellowshipping together.

I am not offended. I belong to a wonderful church. I run into all kinds of people on this forum. Many have some area in their life where they cannot submit to scripture. I want others to partake of the same blessings that I do, and more. I want others to partake of the fullness of the prophets ministry as is my desire also. To do this, we must be around them and the preaching of the Word. Their are many wonderful ministries that work very effectively together with others in the church. Just think how you might be working together rather than as one separated.


You are free to regard or disregard my admonition to you. It is without guile and I speak the truth to you in the sight of God.

One day we will stand before God and answer to why we did not submit to His Word in certain areas.
We need each other to exhort one another to do so in every way without being threatened or without our peace being violated. We want Him to say: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant!".
 
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I too have had a prophecy about meeting the person I would marry within 6 months and this was after a conversation about what sort of person I would want to marry, the guy asked me about hair colour!!! etc..even it was weird but I was needy at the time and it did get to me a bit even though I knew it was just someone trying to make me feel better at the time. Needless to say that didnt happen within those six months. and given the circumstances I was in at the time I was glad that prophecy had only a six month timeframe given it so once that time was up I could just let it go.

Prophecy is so misused in some circles it is abusive.
That is not judgment it's reality.
 
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I too have had a prophecy about meeting the person I would marry within 6 months and this was after a conversation about what sort of person I would want to marry, the guy asked me about hair colour!!! etc..even it was weird but I was needy at the time and it did get to me a bit even though I knew it was just someone trying to make me feel better at the time. Needless to say that didnt happen within those six months. and given the circumstances I was in at the time I was glad that prophecy had only a six month timeframe given it so once that time was up I could just let it go.

Prophecy is so misused in some circles it is abusive.
That is not judgment it's reality.

Right well, it's getting late. You shall lay yourself to sleep before the sun rises.

That was easy :preach:
 
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2 Tim 4:3 ... but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for
themsleves teachers in accordance to their own desires

Prv 15:12 A scoffer does not love one who reproves him

Prv 3:11 My son, do not reject the discipline of the Lord or loathe His reproof, for whom the Lord loves He reproves, even as a father in whom he delights.


We as people don't like reproof. We need to understand that about ourselves!!!

God has not changed. He is trying to get His people to listen to Him. Yet if we do listen, we are certainly going to get discipline and reproof, because He loves us. We should want that but we don't! Then He sends prophets to try to explain that to us, but because his people didn't want any reproof in the first place, they killed and beat the prophets sent to them. That hasn't changed. We don't even want to listen to a prophet trying to tell us to listen to the Lord who will reprove and discipline us.

There is a spirit going around the church which has taken wonderful verses and twisted them to mean something a bit different than what they actually mean. One thing that spirit says is that prophecy now is no longer like prophecy before. It's an evil spirit that says that prophecy today only makes us fell good about ourselves (tickles our ears) and is not used for reproof.

The Old testament prophets helped people grow, encouraged people and even comforted them. Yet we sometimes don't understand that because we don't see reproof as helping people grow, encouraging people, and even being a comfort to people. And that is because we don't want reproof.

We say 'don't give me reproof but tell me what I want to hear; tickle my ears.' And we don't even want to be shown that about ourselves either.

I agree that a prophet from the Lord is probably not putting down a single person in front of everyone. Yet a prophet from our Lord, who reproves and disciplines us, might certainly be expected to have a message that reproves us. WE might not want to hear it, but it is that type of message that helps us grow and encourages us to act better. And it is comforting to know that we have a Father that cares. So a wise child that has been disiplined by his Father is comforted by the fact that his Father knows and cares.

So we see a verse that explain that prophecy edifies, and take it to mean that a prophet should only tells us about the things we are doing right. But is that what edify means?

ed-i-fy (ed'-a-fi) to build up, esp. in character or faith; to instruct in moral and religous knowledge -- improvement of the mind or morals

If the message only tells us to keep doing what we are already doing, then what is the instruction and where is the improvement coming from?

Prov 23:13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, although you strike him with the rod, he will not die

Look - the same God that had 1 Cor 14:3 written also had Prov 23:13 written. The rod is a rather good encourager. It helps a child grow! And the child is comforted by the fact that his Father does truly care enough about him to correct him.

If I am not wanting to listen to the Lord my God, then perhaps the best thing He could do for me is to bring a hell and brimstone type of prophecy to get me to listen to Him!!

In the last book of the Old Testament, Malachi wrote "And now this commadment is for you, O priests, If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name" says the Lord of hosts, "then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings;..."(Mal 2: 1-2)

Yet it was the last book in the New Testament where we get the specifics- (Rev 8:7) The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up...

Those telling you that prophecy today is not like prophecy in the Old Testament; it is now always wonderful encouraging words that you love to hear is not considering what is actually written!

Prophecy covers what is to come and the Lord our God is going to bring "hail and fire, mixed with blood" upon this earth because people do not want to listen to Him and His reproof.

Yet let me put this in terms we can understand today. Very recently God had me talking to a Christian couple. They are Christian and have been for a long time. They both go to spirit filled churches, like most of those posting here. They both hear from God but are not hearing Him on certain things in their life. They were wanting to get married. Yet they have a few problems in their life because they are not willing to listen to the reproof the Lord wants to give them. They only want to hear wonderful words from Him.

He was recently divorced from his Christian wife, leaving her with the childern to take care of by herself. He has some medical problems, but has shown very little desire to work and seems to use the medical problems as an excuse not to work. The other has had four previous husbands, and like the woman at the well, the one she has now is not her husband. She and him would like to change that but they are living in a car because neither one works.

If you are listening to the Lord and just need a confirmation, then isn't that what the Lord will send, but if you are not listening to the Lord then the last thing you need from the Lord is confirmation of what you are doing is right. If you are not looking to the Lord for reproof, counsel, understanding, wisdom, and discipline, then I pray that He sends someone to you to explain that very thing.

So if God sends a hell, fire, and brimstone message like what John wrote in the book of Revelation, praise God because He cares for His people. Take care that you are not just surrounding yourselves with teachers trying to just tickle your ears. Evil spirits will be glade to tell you that everything you are doing is right, because it is not us who are perfect. We need His reproof in our lives, and not just words that tickly our ears!!!
 
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