Futurist Only Prophecy to be fulfilled.

[5thKingdom]

That final Trumpet will sound to raise all the dead, to stand before God on His Great White Throne; AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15

I would certainly hope so... since the millennium started at the Cross
and is commonly called the Great Tribulation (when the saints reign)
or the church age... or what JESUS specifically NAMED the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"


Mat 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was
cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when
it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered
the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be
at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever
the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into
the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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[Timtofly]

Satan was bound for 2000 years?

 

[5thKingdom]

You do realize that the 7th trumpet last for over 3.5 years. Paul was not a post trib preacher. He did not read Revelation.

First... the 7th Trumpet is the same event event as the
3rd Woe


Rev 11:14-15
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Secondly... the Third Woe is ETERNAL... it does not last
for only 3.5 years. No Scripture says that, you ADDED
your own "private interpretation"


Thirdly... the Apostle Paul did not need to read John's writing
in the Book of Revelation because (wait for it.....)
Paul was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit.


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

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[5thKingdom]

Satan was bound for 2000 years?

Satan was "bound" from the Cross until he was "loosened"
at the 1st Woe or Fifth Trumpet in Rev 9:1

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[5thKingdom]

Some in the US are waitng for the Last Trump to leave. They are hoping for November 3rd.

Paul did not read Revelation did he? He could have misunderstood a few names...

Some people in the US are waiting for the Seventh Trumpt
to leave for WHERE?

Here is the Seventh/Last Trumpet... it does not look like
planes will be operating after it sounds:

1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of
an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must
put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then
shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is
swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave,
where is thy victory?


Again... Paul could NOT misunderstood ANYTHING since
he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Did you forget about that?


2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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[5thKingdom]

Revelation 11:15-19.... The Seventh Trumpet....
Nowhere in this passage does it say anyone will be 'raptured' or be 'changed' at that time.
You have added this to Revelation. Your bad.

No... it looks like YOUR BAD (again)


1Co 15:51-55
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling
of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must
put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory?


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[keras]

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling
of an eye, at the last trump:

Paul is not referring to the Seventh Trumpet of Revelation. He didn't even know about Revelation, as he was likely dead by the time John wrote it.

It is sheer nonsense to say those 2 Trumpets are the same.

 

[Timtofly]

First... the 7th Trumpet is the same event event as the
3rd Woe


Rev 11:14-15
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Secondly... the Third Woe is ETERNAL... it does not last
for only 3.5 years. No Scripture says that, you ADDED
your own "private interpretation"


Thirdly... the Apostle Paul did not need to read John's writing
in the Book of Revelation because (wait for it.....)
Paul was writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit.


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

.

Are you the new spirit inspired gospel author?

Paul and John are not talking about the same Trumpets.

Current physical reality is not eternal. Does this third woe other than the eternal lake of fire, mean the 7th Trumpet of John does not sound at all? John says in the days of the 7th Trumpet. What exactly are those days the 7th Trumpet covers with it's sounding? Or will it just be an eternal shofar in a display case for all to view in the lake of fire?

 

[Timtofly]

Satan was "bound" from the Cross until he was "loosened"
at the 1st Woe or Fifth Trumpet in Rev 9:1

So the church did not become a harlot to Satan? The RCC and all her branches is a fine upstanding virgin.

There has been no war, and only peace since the cross? Lions and sheep should not be caged in zoos. They should be allowed to roam free in the pristine cities where no crime and poverty exist? All humans are treated equally with no respect of any one human over the other?

This all is the condition of Satan being bound. The church is still a virgin, and the world is living as one perfect church.

 

[Timtofly]

Some people in the US are waiting for the Seventh Trumpt
to leave for WHERE?

Here is the Seventh/Last Trumpet... it does not look like
planes will be operating after it sounds:

1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of
an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and
the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must
put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then
shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is
swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave,
where is thy victory?


Again... Paul could NOT misunderstood ANYTHING since
he was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Did you forget about that?


2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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You claim Satan is bound. Yet the dead in Christ are bound in hell as well. Why?

Either the last trumpet of John does not sound, or Paul has the wrong Trumpet, but it cannot be both. Who wrote first, Paul or John? Did they even write to the same churches? For all this trying to figure out the mindset of the 1st century, do some forget that these letters were not even brought into one canon for a few hundred years? The originals were not written to us as one document. We are guessing about Trumpets. The intended recipients would never even had both letters to compare. I asked, did Paul read Revelation. You say it does not matter. Then perhaps it does matter if the Holy Spirit is claiming they are not the same Trumpets, before we just assume they are.

 

[5thKingdom]

Paul is not referring to the Seventh Trumpet of Revelation. He didn't even know about Revelation, as he was likely dead by the time John wrote it.
It is sheer nonsense to say those 2 Trumpets are the same.

First... how many "last Trumps" do you imagine there are?
Of course there is only ONE last Trump. Since the "last Trump"
in 1 Co 15 includes the resurrection of the dead and the destruction
of Satan and DEATH... do you REALLY imagine there is ANOTHER
Trumpet after that? How can I take you seriously when you
say such things?

1Co 15:51-55
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling
of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall
be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this
corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal
shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass
the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


Second... and I am very surprised that you would say this because
to think Paul was writing on his own is blasphemy... Paul did not need
to see John's writings... because Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul was NOT writing based on what he read from John or anyone else. In fact, it is likely that Paul did not even know
the WHEN or WHERE of what he said about the Last Trump


2Pe 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in
old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they
were moved by the Holy Ghost.


2Ti 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.


Finally... it seems you say "it is sheer nonsense" to everyone
who corrects you. Do you imagine the verses above are just
"sheer nonsense". Do you REALLY image there is ANOTHER
"last Trump" AFTER the resurrection and destruction of Satan
and DEATH? Where is your Scripture to support such a view.
Saying "sheer nonsense" is NOT a substitution for Scripture.
And you already KNOW that fact.

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[5thKingdom]

You claim Satan is bound. Yet the dead in Christ are bound in hell as well. Why?

Either the last trumpet of John does not sound, or Paul has the wrong Trumpet, but it cannot be both. Who wrote first, Paul or John? Did they even write to the same churches? For all this trying to figure out the mindset of the 1st century, do some forget that these letters were not even brought into one canon for a few hundred years? The originals were not written to us as one document. We are guessing about Trumpets. The intended recipients would never even had both letters to compare. I asked, did Paul read Revelation. You say it does not matter. Then perhaps it does matter if the Holy Spirit is claiming they are not the same Trumpets, before we just assume they are.

(1) First this sentence make no sense whatsoever:
Either the last trumpet of John does not sound, or Paul has the wrong Trumpet, but it cannot be both.

(2) Secondly, how many "last trumps" do you image there are?
There can be only ONE "last trump"

(3) Thirdly, do you imagine that Paul was writing a private
interpretation? I am very surprised that you would say this
because to think Paul was writing on his own is blasphemy...
Paul did not need to see John's writings... because Paul was
writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul was NOT
writing based on what he read from John or anyone else.
In fact, it is likely that Paul did not even know the WHEN or
WHERE of what he said about the Last Trump

2Pe 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in
old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they
were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Ti 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.

Again I ask you HOW MANY "Last Trumps" do you imagine
there are? And WHY would you think there is another Trump
AFTER the resurrection of the dead and the destruction of Satan
and DEATH?

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[5thKingdom]

You claim Satan is bound. Yet the dead in Christ are bound in hell as well. Why?

What SCRIPTURE says the "dead in Christ are bound in hell..."
please provide chapter and verse. Thank you.

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[5thKingdom]

So the church did not become a harlot to Satan? .

What do you imagine "Babylon the Great" represents?
Did it exist in the Pre-Flood Kingdom? Did it exist in the
Jewish Kingdom? Did it exist in the Christian Kingdom...
or did it ONLY exist in the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] which
is also the Revelation Beast.

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[5thKingdom]

Are you the new spirit inspired gospel author?
Paul and John are not talking about the same Trumpets.

So you imagine there are MORE than one "last Trump"?
Where is your SCRIPTURE for such a teaching?
Give me chapter and Verse.

Secondly... you imagine there is ANOTHER Trump
after Satan and DEATH are destroyed in the "last Trump"
of 1 Co 15..... do you have any SCRIPTURE for such a teaching?
Please provide chapter and verse.

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[Timtofly]

(1) First this sentence make no sense whatsoever:
Either the last trumpet of John does not sound, or Paul has the wrong Trumpet, but it cannot be both.

(2) Secondly, how many "last trumps" do you image there are?
There can be only ONE "last trump"

(3) Thirdly, do you imagine that Paul was writing a private
interpretation? I am very surprised that you would say this
because to think Paul was writing on his own is blasphemy...
Paul did not need to see John's writings... because Paul was
writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul was NOT
writing based on what he read from John or anyone else.
In fact, it is likely that Paul did not even know the WHEN or
WHERE of what he said about the Last Trump

2Pe 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in
old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they
were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Ti 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.

Again I ask you HOW MANY "Last Trumps" do you imagine
there are? And WHY would you think there is another Trump
AFTER the resurrection of the dead and the destruction of Satan
and DEATH?

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Should we overlook the point that all this post is your opinion of what the Bible says?

What should have been those words, spell check did it's own handiwork. Ask spell check.

But using the Holy Spirit as your "back up" is disingenuous. Only God knows when or what is considered the "Last Trump". Any one else's interpretation including your own is only private. The body of Christ is not even a democracy, where the interpretation that gets the most votes wins.

 

[Timtofly]

What SCRIPTURE says the "dead in Christ are bound in hell..."
please provide chapter and verse. Thank you.

I would certainly hope so... since the millennium started at the Cross
and is commonly called the Great Tribulation (when the saints reign)
or the church age... or what JESUS specifically

Where are all the dead in Christ?

 

[Timtofly]

What do you imagine "Babylon the Great" represents?
Did it exist in the Pre-Flood Kingdom? Did it exist in the
Jewish Kingdom? Did it exist in the Christian Kingdom...
or did it ONLY exist in the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] which
is also the Revelation Beast.

Satan was bound in hell. How did the church communicate with Satan?

 

[5thKingdom]

Should we overlook the point that all this post is your opinion of what the Bible says?

What should have been those words, spell check did it's own handiwork. Ask spell check.

But using the Holy Spirit as your "back up" is disingenuous. Only God knows when or what is considered the "Last Trump". Any one else's interpretation including your own is only private. The body of Christ is not even a democracy, where the interpretation that gets the most votes wins.

(1) First, if you think this is just my opinion... then simply provide
some Scripture (and not your feelings) to refute me..
can you do that? No you cannot.

(2) Secondly, you did not answer my question about HOW MANY
"last Trumps" there are in Scripture... why avoid that question?

(3) Thirdly, you did not explain HOW there is another Trump
AFTER Satan and Death are destroyed by the 1Co 15 Trump...
can you address that question (with Scripture, not feeliings?)

(4) It was not "disingenuous" to REMIND you that Paul was
not writing a private interpretation... that ALL SCRIPTURE is
inspired by the Holy Spirit.. to deny what Paul wrote is not
to say paul did not realize what John wrote... instead, it is
to say that Paul did not write EXACTLY what God intended.

Why is it that I can provide you SCRIPTURE and you only
respond with your "feelings"? and WHY can you not address
the fact that Satan and DEATH are destroyed by the Trump
of 1Co 15... or the question of HOW MANY "last Trumps"
appear in Scripture?

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[5thKingdom]

Satan was bound in hell. How did the church communicate with Satan?

Who said the church communicated with Satan?

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