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Featured Prophecies, chronology, and the timing of these events

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DavidPT, Sep 20, 2017.

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    Herod died of an illness, after long suffering, probably cancer. Because he thought he had no one to mourn for him, he ordered that 40 leading Jews should be put to death to make sure that at his death there would be mourning. His orders were not carried out. He had
     
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    Sorry, I thought you were referring to me in that quote.
    Thanks for the articles, I have just read most of them, I basically agree with most of them but you seem to struggle with Revelation mainly chaps. 11 and 12. For the witnesses who are also Candlesticks and Olive trees. (I don't know how the literalists take them as two people rather than Candlesticks or Olive trees.) Rev 1 :20 tells us that candlesticks are Churches.
    E B Elliott interprets these as churches in the dark ages of Papal persecution. Two or three being the minimum number of witnesses required under the law. The Olive trees (sons of oil) being the godly pastors feeding the churches, led by the Holy Spirit.
     
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    • 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
    • 40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
    • 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    • 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    The strange God was Augustus. As you probably know, Roman Emperors were considered to be gods. The Kink of The North was, by this time, the Roman Emperor as they had long overthrown the Seluecids. The King of the South at this time was Cleopatra, aided by Antony. The latter pair were overthrown by Augustus. Herod managed to switch sides and joined Augustus.
    • 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    • 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Augustus wanted the treasures of Egypt and rushed to defeat Cleopatra as he feared she would destroy them.
    • 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
    • 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
    • I have already commented on these verses.
    • 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
    After a brief note on the Michael, it passes to a time time of trouble such as never was, Same as Matt, Mark and Luke.
     
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    Yes I do struggle with those because there is no direct interpretation of them in scripture. So I offer my best guess based on the general thrust of prophecy that is interpreted. It can't disagree with what is interpreted. What EB Elliot is saying is about the same thing. The Holy Spirit and the Word coming through the pastors and the churches being murderd in an attempt to silance them.
     
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    Elliott's work Horae Apocalypticae is available on Google Books/Google play. It is four volumes. The witnesses are dealt with in volume two. If you wish to check, there are several different editions. The ones with coloured covers are easiest to identify. Make sure you remember which colour you have downloaded as none have volume numbers, you just have to download one till you find the correct volume.
    The first volume starts by proving that the writer is John. then the date of the writing, the last volume has quite a number of appendices including one History of apocalyptic interpretation.

    I had a set which my dad bought for ten shillings in a Brighton second hand shop. Last time I looked amazon listed two, one at over $6,000 and the other at over $8,000. I lost the last volume of mine while I was working in London, it disappeared from my office.
    MY grandson begged a number of my books including those and an 8 volume set of Foxe's book of martyrs, dated 1846.
     
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    Another useful book on Revelation is Key to the Apocalyspe By H Grattan Guinness, you can get it on Amazon in Kindle format if you with to pay for it, or you can download the PDF here for free. Key to the Apocalypse • Revival Fellowship New Zealand

    Guinness bases his book on seven symbols which are divinely interpreted. It is easy reading and less than 70 pages in the PDF version.
     
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    I am not sure why you keep posting things like this which have nothing to with what we are discussing.

    Apart from that, your quote is in the past tense.
     
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    Since I'm the one who initially started this thread, I was somewhat hoping that what I was wanting to discuss got discussed. Apparently not, though some of it did get discussed. I was mainly kind of wanting this discussion to be a debate between Premils and Amils, since two of the things I brought up thusfar, the first few verses in Isaiah 2 and Zech 14, where Premils typically see both still future, and that Amils don't, thus wanted to try and understand why Amils insist these can't be future after Christ has returned, regardless that I have been demonstrating contradictions if these are not meaning a time post the 2nd coming..
     
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    I think you should have then called it millenialists and A-mil. There are various groups that that are millenialist, Both the authors are historic millenialists.
     
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    Thanks David
     
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    Seven angels are also mentioned in Rev 1:20
     
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