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Progressive Revelation

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Stone-n-Steel, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. Stone-n-Steel

    Stone-n-Steel Active Member Supporter

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    The topic "dispensationalism" seems to gather a crowd of people who want to divide the word with knives or sometimes use the knife to stab at the poster. I have a friend in my Bible study group who prefers the term "Progressive Revelation" because of that.

    Is it possible as Christians to revel in the fact that we are saved and share some scripture and let the Holy Spirit guide us as we study in our personal lives. We could also share how we see the scriptures and what that has done in our lives.

    I may still have a problem internalizing the fact that my sins were forgiven based on the finished work of the cross (Col 2:10) after over two decades, but when I talk about it to someone it enriches my life. How about you?

    It grieves my spirit when I fall into the trap of contention and I am sure it grieves the Holy Spirit.
     
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  2. Revived

    Revived Fighting the good fight of faith.

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    God bless you, brother.

    When I discovered dispensationalism/right division/the grace message some three years ago, I was completely blown away. I had so many illuminating moments that I lost count. It answered so many seeming contradictions and questions I had carried and many that I hadn't thought of but found they were points of confusion to others.

    To answer your finished cross work question from a personal perspective, no, I don't have any problem accepting this work on my behalf. In the studying I've done, the Word has left an indelible impression in my mind and soul that I will spend an eternity in heaven based solely on my belief that Jesus Chris died for me, was buried, and rose to new life (1 Cor 15:1-4).

    The following article, and many others at http://doctrine.org and the Berean Bible Society, have forged this belief and furthered my conviction that we, the body of Christ, should carry out this ministry of reconciliation while still on this earth to show others this message of grace that we hold so dearly (2 Cor. 5:14-21).

    http://bit.ly/2KZbWOU
     
  3. Stone-n-Steel

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    Les Feldick was responsible for opening the door for me and BBS watered the ground when he was not available. I was fortunate to not spend too much time in confusion.
     
  4. Revived

    Revived Fighting the good fight of faith.

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    Les Feldick's ministry has been instrumental in my growth as well (should have mentioned him). Here's a great, neatly organized Les Feldick study site if anyone is interested: https://LesFeldick.net
     
  5. ac28

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    As mid-Acts, you have several pick-and-choose situations, or so it would seem. For one, you have a calling of the created heavenly New Jerusalem in Paul's Acts and a calling of the uncreated Highest Heaven, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God. You have both in your artificial doctrine. Which one will you select? The problem is that you can't have the New Jerusalem, since it is 100% for Israel and those few Gentiles in the Acts church, which were ALL grafted into Israel in Acts, for the sole purpose of provoking Israel to jealousy. It's impossible to prove that there was an all-Gentile church during Acts, without warping and distorting scripture, as Mid-Acts people are prone to do.

    So then, since there is no Israel today, the New Jerusalem is out. The only calling available to anyone living in the last 1900 years is the Heaven of Heavens, Heavenly Places, the Holy Place, Far Above All Heavens. This Calling is found ONLY is Paul 7 post-Acts epistles. No one in the other 59 books, including the entirety of Acts and Paul's 7 Acts books, ever had an opportunity of going to Heaven.

    Now you have to pick-and-choose a resurrection. Your choices are the all-Israel rapture, from Acts, or the all-Gentile Appearing, from Eph and Col. You can't have both. And, unfortunately, you can't have the rapture, since it includes mostly Jews and just a few Gentiles that were grafted into Israel and were thus part of Israel. Every Gentile during Acts was part of Israel. And, since no Jew ever had and never will have a calling of the highest Heaven, and since the vast majority of people in the rapture are Jews, it is impossible that Christ will collect everybody and take them all to Heaven. Instead, the rapture will be just it says in the Bible - the resurrected saints will meet Christ in the air, at His 2nd Coming, and return with Him to earth, at the 7th trumpet of Revelation, of course. There is no second second coming coming of Christ.

    So, if you are going to the highest Heaven, the only way you're going to get there is by the Appearing, where you are immediately resurrected to Heavenly Places to appear with Christ there. So, with Heavenly Places and the Appearing, both occurring ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles, you have no need for anything in the 100% Israel book of Acts. The idea of today's church starting in Acts 9 is laughable and totally without proof. You've been conned, my friends. The only interpretation method in the world that is 100% scriptural, with no deceit or manipulation, and totally obeys 2Tim 2:15, is Acts 28:28 dispensationalism, of which you've just received a very brief overview.

    So, when God gives you the enlightenment of your eyes to see the Hope of your calling (Eph 1:17-18) and you finally see that your only choices are the calling TO the highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, and the Appearing, and if you can get rid of all those other little all-Israel things from Acts, you will be obeying 2Tim2:15 and rightly dividing (Strong's = make a straight cut, correctly cut, correctly dissect) God's Word of Truth, and you will finally be approved unto God and will have no need to feel ashamed, as per 2Tim 2:15.
     
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  6. ac28

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    Just the HUGE difference in Callings, between Paul's Acts epistles and his post-Acts epistles, should be enough proof for any reasonable person to see that Paul's Acts books and his post-Acts books are of 2 separate and totally different dispensations.

    Then, you discover that everything Paul taught in Acts was based on the OT (Ac 26:22) and everything after-Acts was a mystery (secret) hid in God, since the world began (Eph 3:3,9), until revealed by Paul, after Acts. That really settles the question and totally destroys the sleight-of-hand basic tenants of mid-Acts dispensationalism.

    A 3rd clincher is that all during the book of Acts, the saved Gentiles did not have Jesus Christ. This is proven in Eph 2:11-12, where we discover that Paul is talking about Acts (in times past), because the only place in the Bible that the Gentiles were called the uncircumcision (vs 11) was during all of Acts. So, how could there be a Gentile church during Acts if not one saved Gentile had Christ? All Gentiles in the Acts church were saved, but only through Israel. Every blessing they had during all of Acts was borrowed from Israel. All they had was their father Abraham, through Israel. The only Father we have now is God (Eph 4:6). The word, "Abraham", doesn't appear even once in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. It does appear 29 times in Paul's 7 Acts epistles. Also, "it is written" occurs 0 times in Paul's after-Acts books and 32 times in his Acts books.

    It is obvious to the Bible Believer that Paul's Acts books and his post-Acts books are of 2 totally different dispensations, that cannot be blended together. Ac 9 has never come up with a good explanation of why Isa 6:9-10 is pronounced in Ac 28:25-27, or what or who the Salvation of God is in Ac 28:28. They always just skim over these verses as though they don't exist.

    In Acts 28:28, the Gentiles were finally separated from under Israel's rule and control and the salvation of God was given to the Gentiles for the first time, on their own. The "Salvation of God", in Ac 28:28, is a person, Jesus Christ (Lk 2:30, 3:6, Isa 52:10). According to Strong's, Salvation in that verse is a noun that means "Defender".

    EVERYTHING found in Paul's Acts books is found in Moses (the Torah) and the prophets, Ac 26:22, and NOTHING after Acts is found anywhere in the OT. These 2 dispensations MUST stay separate. Any attempt to combine them is dishonest.

    The term, "progressive revelation", is a meaningless term because nothing during Acts was progressive. It was the same at the start as it was in Ac 28:24, in that the only purpose during all of Acts was to convert Israel, so Christ would return and set up Israel's Kingdom. And, when Israel ceased to exist as a nation in Ac 28:25-27, everything in Acts came to a screeching halt, because everything in Acts was Israel. We're talking things like the rapture, the gifts, the Acts church, the great Commission, water baptism, the Lord's supper, the earthly kingdom, the Lord's prayer, etc., etc., etc. The next dispensation, found only after Acts, has absolutely nothing to do with ANYTHING from Acts. Nothing. Zero. Nada.
     
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