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Pro-Slavery Social Studies Textbook Approved in Louisiana

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by morningstar2651, Jun 15, 2021.

  1. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Agreed.

    I would like to know where everyone thinks these dreams of equal outcomes are coming from though.

    Whether someone correctly identifies communism or neo-Marxism isn't all that important. The words may change, description of power structures may change, the belief in revolution leading to utopia doesn't.
     
  2. Ana the Ist

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    You don't see the problem with assuming it?
     
  3. Ana the Ist

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    How did those communes work out?
     
  4. Kettriken

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    Oh, I do. That is why it is so difficult to discuss. Many people who are not prejudiced support policies that have prejudicial effects, simply because they have not thought out the repercussions. There are also legitimate bigots out there who need to be squelched, but they have couched themselves in plausibly deniable rhetoric. How do you rout out one without alienating the other?
     
  5. coffee4u

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    That has nothing to do with what I was saying.

    I never said your schools were Godly in the past either, but what I do see is its actually more of the same but given fresh new names and hidden behind smoke screens. It has gone from in your face that can be seen to cleverly designed lies.

    "white schools segregated from their black brethren" I know that the US had this in the past. The difference was it was done openly and it is now covertly.
    This time it is called CRT. Which pushes black children to feel they are victims and white children to feel like oppressors. Imagine being in a classroom where this is taught, do you think this creates a feeling of friendship between the black and white students? What about the mixed students? Do you know how much harm victim complex does to a person? The result is it creates depression, anger and it keeps people down. It doesn't raise them up or help them succeed it does the very opposite.

    "denied education to their sisters in Christ" Again that was another in your face injustice of the past. Just because females have a right to an education now doesn't mean they are receiving an education that is Godly or even factually correct.
    Woman are hated by the far left.

    You might also want to take a closer look at what the education they are receiving now consists of.

    Obviously you think all the new stuff is great, its not. Dig into it.
     
  6. Ana the Ist

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    That's not what I mean....

    You said that "People have learned to not speak openly about their prejudiced."...

    That's not a statement merely about prejudice in general. It's a statement about people. You're assuming that they are still acting on prejudices without any overt indication they are.

    Do you see the problem inherent in this assumption?
     
  7. Kettriken

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    Perhaps you can forgive me for assuming that you meant the same thing that is meant in this country. Here when people say we are not Christ centered, they usually refer to not having state run prayer in public school.

    I think in this you may have been mislead. So called CRT filters down to public schools as teaching children the true history that we had to search out on our own when I was in school. This is basically a less candy coated version of US history, though I agree it is wrong if individual teachers use it to either shame or victimize students. All the more reason for teachers to be taught the truth and trained in how to work with students through difficult topics.

    I listened to the first fifteen minutes before responding. This woman does not seem interested in a genuine discussion of the issues. At the very least it is slanderous to say that women are hated by the far left.

    Unfortunately, it seems we have lost the thread of this conversation, if all you take from this exchange is that I believe all this "new stuff" to be great. I apologize for not being more clear.
     
  8. Kettriken

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    Ah, I see. Yes, that is a difficult statement for me to back up.
    Aside from the numbers presented above, detailing how people feel about the confederacy, how would we identify prejudice when it is mostly covert?
     
  9. coffee4u

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    What are the policies that are racist or have prejudicial effects currently in the US?

    When people are told in various ways "You are oppressed" "You are an oppressor" people begin to believe it and see it even when it isn't there. It creates a victim complex of depression and aggression. If you are oppressed why try?
    If you are black and don't get the job is it because of your skin colour or because of your competence? Do you want to be hired by a place that has a board that says 'we must hire 5 more blacks' (You could replace black for women or Hispanics or Asians) or do you want to be hired because you were the best person for the job?
    And when racism is the cause the roots of it are not tackled because people would rather moan about it. They look at the symptoms and not the cause.

    Take an issue such as the literacy rates of black and brown students.
    How ‘Reading Instruction’ Fails Black And Brown Children
    "On national tests last year, only 18 percent of black 4th-graders scored proficient or above in reading; the figure for white 4th-graders was 45 percent. For 8th graders, the percentages were 15 and 42 percent. It’s sobering that more than half of white students fail to meet the proficiency bar."

    The end result of this will be that far less black and brown students will graduate, go to college, get well paying jobs. It's no good crying racism over their lower paying jobs that they had to take because of their lack of literacy, its the literacy issue that needs addressing which goes back to the schools. The jobs and hire rates are merely the symptoms not the main cause. The majority of 'white' people are not oppressors or white supremacists or racists. Some are no one argues that but most are not. Some are ignorant and good dialogue would help that not tossing around accusations.

    Back to the schools-who are the real culprits here.
    Does lowering the standards to pass students help them? No. There are people who want to do this though in the name of equity. This isn't equity, if you are being passed because the standard was lowered you have dumbed down students without them realizing.
    Does keeping them in schools that continue to fail help them? No, but they continue in this and even disallow students moving to schools who might be able to help them. .
    The reason it doesn't change is the far left doesn't want it to change, they want a stupid population. Stupid people are far easier to manipulate.

    "There’s abundant scientific evidence that explains why our standard approach to reading instruction isn’t working for so many black kids—and others. But educators and policymakers are often unaware of that research; some reject it. Schools continue to double down on the same things that haven’t worked for decades, expecting a different result."
    Instead of throwing money at schools and continuing on in the same pattern they need to change it schools over to curriculum and methods that do work. The amount of money would probably be similar. There are people around who don't want that. Find out who is creating these school policies and setting down what gets taught and how and then you might find the genuine racists. It isn't the guy whose hiring and hires based on merits and the ability to read. It's possible he's a racist, but he's just an individual. No, go all the way back to whoever it is who is keeping those children from learning to read.
     
  10. coffee4u

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    I didn't mean that but that would be part of it.
    To me Christian values would include affirming what the Bible teaches. So the family, 10 commandments and so on.


    I believe it is you who is mislead and I say that with respect. I started looking into things a couple of months ago and digging.
    CRT is not about that, that is what they want you to believe.


    They do. I am assuming you are female as I am(sorry if you are not) I did check your profile. The far left do hate both woman and children. Why do you think the naked man who exposed himself to woman and little girls was not the one that was criticized?
    Why do you think the convicted child rapist is being upheld?
    Why do you think JK Rolling is being vilified?

    That tends to happen. If you are a woman and your signature says Christian, look into things a bit deeper. I say this as a woman and as a Christian, I have no horse in US politics.
     
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  11. Kettriken

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    I am not bothered but thankful for the peace of Christ. I appreciate your willingness to continue in conversation and would exhort you to also dig deeper in your research. Perhaps you have a more "left wing" Christian in your life who you could talk with. It is so hard to discuss these things with strangers on the internet.

    Aside from the JK Rolling situation, and that only vaguely, I am not sure what you are referring to. I know many people in the far left who do not hate women and children. In fact, I don't know anyone who does, but of course that doesn't mean they don't exist.
     
  12. Kettriken

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    For many years racism was the cause, and in some instances still is. More often than not these days, classism has an outsized roll to play. If your grandparents were not allowed to learn to read, how would they read books to you as a small child? If you did not have that foundation of literacy, how much harder would it be to learn to read? If you or your parents had to leave school early to pay the bills, how would you gain proficiency? If you have to work evenings to keep a roof over your children's head, how will they get the story time that leads to a life long love, or even competency at reading. It all cycles.
     
  13. Hans Blaster

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    It doesn't matter. Though I believe there are still a few around. I recall Mennonites living communally in the Plains somewhere... They may be held together today by dogma, but no more so than any other religion propagated by childhood indoctrination. (I myself was indoctrinated by the RCC as a youth. I now reject them and all their works.)

    Communes only came up because someone dishonestly (or in error) equated propaganda as "communism". Propaganda is certainly a tool of state communism, but not all propaganda is in service to such. (There is plenty of anti-communist propaganda as well.) This stemmed, I would guess, from the intellectually weak habit spreading today of labeling everything they don't like as "communist/socialist/marxist". It lacks nuance and demonstrates a disinterest in discussion.
     
  14. Strathos

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    Communist governments use propaganda. Fascist governments use propaganda. Even democratic governments use propaganda. In fact, I dare you to name one government that has never used propaganda.
     
  15. Ana the Ist

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    I don't disagree with anything you're saying here...

    You're 100% correct that propaganda itself doesn't indicate communism.

    However, propaganda of a certain type does.

    It's always going to have certain characteristics...the idea of a greedy group unfairly maintaining their grip on power and wealth. The idea of a noble uprising of the population that has been unfairly cheated. An extremely binary worldview (us vs them, oppressor vs oppressed, etc) the creation of mantras and slogans and the like. The attack on entire social systems and structures in favor of some idealized equality. The disregard for property.

    These tend to highlight communists and marxists in general. To a lesser degree, even socialists.

    Regardless, I agree that the terms communist, socialist , marxist and the like get thrown around too much.

    I don't agree that it's the fault of those who disagree with them. It's difficult to identify because communism isn't a plan. It's an end goal. Marx thought it would happen naturally so the way he described it was as a natural progression of capitalism to socialism and finally communism.

    Ever since he was wrong...nearly every major Marxist thinker has tried to figure out why. Mostly this involves creating cultural divisions, class strife, infiltrating the left (because of the blindspot the left has to it's own extremists) and securing positions of power. The long march through the institutions, etc.

    Total revolution is something of an old hat idea...but not off the table completely.

    That's not a lot to go on. There's not much there to identify the Marxists and communists. They know their ideas are stigmatized, so they tend to not admit them openly.
     
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