Pro-life US Congressman urges mistress to get an abortion

[SPF]

And of course all that would demonstrate if true is that Christians sin. I can imagine Christians doing that out of fear of judgment from parents and the Christian culture if their pregnancy was not in a marriage. And that of course, is very sad and revealing for the state of the Church.

But it’s of course not any sort of argument for abortion being a moral act.

Abortion is just as immoral if Christians do it or not.

 

[majj27]

I say that the majority that seek abortions are not Christians thus the statement made is fake news.

I see no one in our church getting abortions no one.

Where are all these people?

Fake news propaganda.

M-Bob

And I say that the numbers demonstrate that the majority of people that seek abortions are Christians, thus the statement is true and you are mistaken and using "Fake News" to dismiss inconvenient fact.

Also, do you expect women at your church to announce to you when they get abortions?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

How would you know? I doubt that a woman who had an abortion would stand up during the service and tell the congregation “Hi everyone, guess what I did this past week...”

I was kind of wondering if you attend a church? Or is that a question I'm not supposed to ask here?
M-Bob

 

[Zoii]

I say that the majority that seek abortions are not Christians thus the statement made is fake news.

I see no one in our church getting abortions no one.

Where are all these people?

Fake news propaganda.

M-Bob

Mbob it happens. Google Australian Deputy Prime minister ... a very conservative christian. Defender of family values. Staunch opponent of same sex marriage. Staunch opponent of free vaccines for HPV. ...... has an affair, gets his staffer preganant... leaves his wife annd kids.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Mbob it happens. Google Australian Deputy Prime minister ... a very conservative christian. Defender of family values. Staunch opponent of same sex marriage. Staunch opponent of free vaccines for HPV. ...... has an affair, gets his staffer preganant... leaves his wife annd kids.

I do understand this happens but the one poster said it happens more with Christians than other ones I truly don't believe that.
M-Bob

 

[Archivist]

I was kind of wondering if you attend a church? Or is that a question I'm not supposed to ask here?
M-Bob

I do. And I have never seen anyone stand up and announce that she had an abortion.

 

[SPF]

As Christians we all of course know that calling yourself a Christian does not make you a Christian.

I remember in high school, I was riding in the van with my soccer team and one player asked the guy next to me if he was a Christian. He promptly said to his mom who was the team mom. “Mom, we are Christians, right? She smiled and assured him that yes, they were Christians.

I don’t think it would be stretching it to think that half the people in polls that call themselves Christians probably aren’t.

So we should all take polls, especially polls done outside the Church, with a grain of salt and realize they’re probably inaccurate.

But even if they were accurate all that does is demonstrate to us Christians that we have a lot of work still to do. We need to ask ourselves what are we doing and what environment are we creating that is pushing women towards sin.

Abortion is immoral, and all this demonstrates for us is how sad it is and it should convict us to be more loving and committed to helping Christians grow I’m their faith so they learn to trust and rely and have more faith in Christ.

 

[JackRT]

I don’t think it would be stretching it to think that half the people in polls that call themselves Christians probably aren’t.

I think that would depend very much on just who is defining "Christian". At the moment there are in excess of 40,000 Christian churches and/or denominations and a large portion of them define Christian in such a way as to exclude a large portion of the rest. As for myself, I do not trust anyone to define my Christianity and I will refrain from judging anyone else's.

 

[Archivist]

As Christians we all of course know that calling yourself a Christian does not make you a Christian.

I remember in high school, I was riding in the van with my soccer team and one player asked the guy next to me if he was a Christian. He promptly said to his mom who was the team mom. “Mom, we are Christians, right? She smiled and assured him that yes, they were Christians.

I don’t think it would be stretching it to think that half the people in polls that call themselves Christians probably aren’t.

So we should all take polls, especially polls done outside the Church, with a grain of salt and realize they’re probably inaccurate.

But even if they were accurate all that does is demonstrate to us Christians that we have a lot of work still to do. We need to ask ourselves what are we doing and what environment are we creating that is pushing women towards sin.

Abortion is immoral, and all this demonstrates for us is how sad it is and it should convict us to be more loving and committed to helping Christians grow I’m their faith so they learn to trust and rely and have more faith in Christ.

If someone says they are Christians, we have to take their word at face value. We cannot dismiss a poll by saying that half the participants who said they were Christians don't meet our definition of what Christians are to be. However, this is getting away from the OP.

The OP discusses a man who claimed publically to be a good Christian who was opposed to abortion in most if not all circumstances. That is until his mistress became pregnant. In that case he favored abortion. Your abortion is bad, my mistresses abortion is good. Double standard.

 

[SPF]

The OP discusses a man who claimed publically to be a good Christian who was opposed to abortion in most if not all circumstances. That is until his mistress became pregnant. In that case he favored abortion. Your abortion is bad, my mistresses abortion is good. Double standard.

Correct. This man is a very sad example of how Christians can be hypocrites. This man's actions hurt the reputation of Christians, hurt the image of Christians, and only help provide more reason for people not to turn to Christ.

We as Christians are the example to non-Christians of what they will become should they turn to Christ. So when they see a man like this who proclaims Christ live in such hypocrisy, it only serves to damage Christianity.

I read something like this and it angers me because it adds one more stumbling block in a person's path towards Christ.

What this story doesn't do, as some would like to suggest - is somehow demonstrate that abortion actually is moral. This man was wrong to do what he did, and I hope that through this event he will be convicted by the Holy Spirit, that he will repent, and that he will finally find freedom in Christ instead of living in sin.

 

[Clint Edwards]

How would you know? I doubt that a woman who had an abortion would stand up during the service and tell the congregation “Hi everyone, guess what I did this past week...”

We cannot judge what Christians are instructed to do, or not do, based upon what others do, or not do.

Abortion is murder, regardless of whether 6 men twisted the constitution to say.

It is murder according to the Bible, period.

 

[Zoii]

Sure. Here's a summary.

Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008

Abortion is a messy subject with emotions high on every side. Apologies to all if I jumped in swinging too hard.

Gee interesting demographics - thank you.

 

[ubicaritas]

 

[ubicaritas]

A lot of politicians change their tune to fit their agenda. No one is a better example of that than Trump and, well, a lot of Republicans that are 'do as I say, not as I do'.

Back in the days pre-Roe, it was common for the nations elites to have easy access to abortion through a plane ticket to another state or country.

 

[ubicaritas]

The OP was a good thread. In my opinion it was highlighting the hypocrasy that can be so very prevalent in our religion; whether it be a discussion on paedophilia, domestic violence or abortion. The OP was highlighting that when it occurs in a country's leadership its all the worse. Our leaders who annouce their christian credentials and who are vocal on issues such as abortion, and then who commit the sin themselves, stand before the community representing christians and expose hypocrasy. A leader who purports to be a bastion of christan morals, and then commits the very act he was decrying, makes all of christianity appear as an uneducated bunch of hypocrites.

This isnt an American issue either. In Australia the deputy Prime minister was a staunch defender of family values and was very vocal against same sex marriage based on the impact it had on the moral construct of a family. No sooner had the same sex marriage debate ended it was discovered that the Deputy PM was having an affair with a staff member, had gotten her pregnant, had given her a preferential position in his office, had left his wife and children...... and it went on and on - Outcome: A leader and bastion of christian morals highlighted to non-christians what a bunch of hypocrites christians can be.

IMO that was the point of this thread

What people repress tends to get expressed, usually in the nastiest ways.

 

[Zoii]

What people repress tends to get expressed, usually in the nastiest ways.

Thats an interesting point.

 

[Archivist]

We cannot judge what Christians are instructed to do, or not do, based upon what others do, or not do.

Abortion is murder, regardless of whether 6 men twisted the constitution to say.

It is murder according to the Bible, period.

Actually the Bible doesn't address the question of whether abortion is or is not murder.

 

[grasping the after wind]

A lot of politicians change their tune to fit their agenda. No one is a better example of that than Trump and, well, a lot of Republicans that are 'do as I say, not as I do'.

And of course Democrats never do that. Socialists either. After all, having several houses and a huge income derived from being a champion of equal outcomes isn't the least bit a sign of hypocrisy.

 

[SPF]

Actually the Bible doesn't address the question of whether abortion is or is not murder.

He's right. In Exodus 21, we have a clear indication that life for life is required, even when that life is the unborn child of a pregnant woman.

Exodus 21: King James Version (KJV):

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Now from the Hebrew Lexicon

So that her fruit:

Hebrew: יֶלֶד yeled

he KJV translates Strongs H3206 in the following manner:child (72x), young man (7x), young ones(3x), sons (3x), boy (2x), fruit (1x), variant (1x).
child, son, boy, offspring, youth
1. child, son, boy
2. child, children
3. descendants
4. youth


Yeled is not miscarriage nor still birth, it's a live child. Is there a Hebrew word for miscarriage and stillborn? Yes and it is not Yeled.


Exodus 23: KJV
26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will
fulfil.


The above now in the Hebrew lexicon:
שָׁכֹל shakol
The KJV translates Strongs H7921 in the following manner:bereave (10x),barren (2x), childless(2x), cast young (2x), cast a calf (1x), lost children (1x),rob of children (1x), deprived (1x), misc (5x).
שָׁכֹל shâkôl, shaw-kole'; a primitive root; properly, to miscarry, i.e. suffer abortion; by analogy, to
bereave (literally or figuratively):—bereave (of children), barren, cast calf (fruit, young), be (make) childless, deprive, destroy, × expect, lose children, miscarry, rob of children, spoil.

So we can see shakol is not used in Exodus 21:22ff.

Yaled is alive; shakol is miscarriage.

 

[FenderTL5]

Representative Tim Murphy, a Pro-life Republican from Pennsylvania, apparently urged his mistress to have an abortion when she thought she was pregnant.

I guess Representative Murphy is anti-abortion in the third person - "her abortion, their abortions" but is totally pro-choice in the first person possessive - "my mistress's abortion."

The story can be found here: Rep. Tim Murphy, popular with pro-life movement, urged abortion in affair, texts suggest

There is a similar story in our state, except the politician in question not only won the first time it was an issue, he also won re-election; US Rep. Scott DeJarlais 4th District TN

Considering that the majority of those who seek abortions are Christian, the guiding principle seems to be "The only good abortion is MY abortion".

This is sadly very true.

Can you cite the source for this?

Another source: The Christian Post, 70% of Women Who Get Abortions Identify as Christians, Survey Finds
The survey was conducted by the Southern Baptists, Lifeway Research. Here's the actual survey data.