Pro $20 Minimum Wage Group Posts $13-Per-Hour Job Listing

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$20 Minimum Wage Endorsing Socialist Group Posts $13-Per-Hour Job Listing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

However, the Freedom Socialist Party promised that its push for a $15-per-hour Seattle minimum wage would “leave no one behind.” The party’s article promoting Seattle’s minimum wage hike includes this choice quote, “The Seattle fight has moved from the streets to City Hall. In May, new Mayor Ed Murray, Democrat, announced his proposal for $15/hour — for some workers, after several years. Healthcare, tips, and other ‘compensation’ would be calculated into their ‘income.’ In short, Mayor Murray’s plan caters to big business… Concretely, Murray’s proposition affects 102,000 working people in Seattle.” In that quote, party activist Linda Averill effectively criticizes loopholes in Seattle’s minimum wage that allow some employers to get around it.

One such loophole allows small employers like the Freedom Socialist Party to wait seven years before fully implementing the $15 minimum wage. The City of Seattle’s posting on the new minimum wage law says, “Small employers (businesses with fewer than 500 employees) will reach a $15 an hour minimum wage in seven years. Also established is a temporary guaranteed minimum compensation responsibility of $15 an hour to be met within the first five years, which can be achived [sic] by combining employer-paid health care contributions, consumer-paid tips, and employer-paid wages.” Consequently, the Freedom Socialist Party is not technically violating the minimum wage law that it promoted, but is merely using a loophole that it criticized to leave its own future web content manager behind with regards to the $15-per-hour pay rate.


Reason points out the fact that web development, one of the skills required of the Freedom Socialist Party’s future employee, typically brings in around $62,500 per year according to a Bureau of Labor Statistics citation by US News and World Report, meaning that the chosen applicant will have to work at wages far below industry norms. Given the reality that small organizations and businesses do not have unlimited money and sometimes can not afford to raise wages to an arbitrary level, the Freedom Socialist Party’s example proves that its rhetoric about small businesses’ struggles with conforming to a minimum wage are not just a “phony concern,” an argument that party activist Linda Averill advanced in her article promoting Seattle’s $15 minimum wage hike. In fact, it is a very real concern for the Freedom Socialist Party itself.
$20 Minimum Wage Endorsing Socialist Group Posts $13-Per-Hour Job Listing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

If there's anything that bothers me more than extreme leftist utopianism, it is blatant hypocrisy.
 

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However, the Freedom Socialist Party promised that its push for a $15-per-hour Seattle minimum wage would “leave no one behind.” The party’s article promoting Seattle’s minimum wage hike includes this choice quote, “The Seattle fight has moved from the streets to City Hall. In May, new Mayor Ed Murray, Democrat, announced his proposal for $15/hour — for some workers, after several years. Healthcare, tips, and other ‘compensation’ would be calculated into their ‘income.’ In short, Mayor Murray’s plan caters to big business… Concretely, Murray’s proposition affects 102,000 working people in Seattle.” In that quote, party activist Linda Averill effectively criticizes loopholes in Seattle’s minimum wage that allow some employers to get around it.

One such loophole allows small employers like the Freedom Socialist Party to wait seven years before fully implementing the $15 minimum wage. The City of Seattle’s posting on the new minimum wage law says, “Small employers (businesses with fewer than 500 employees) will reach a $15 an hour minimum wage in seven years. Also established is a temporary guaranteed minimum compensation responsibility of $15 an hour to be met within the first five years, which can be achived [sic] by combining employer-paid health care contributions, consumer-paid tips, and employer-paid wages.” Consequently, the Freedom Socialist Party is not technically violating the minimum wage law that it promoted, but is merely using a loophole that it criticized to leave its own future web content manager behind with regards to the $15-per-hour pay rate.


Reason points out the fact that web development, one of the skills required of the Freedom Socialist Party’s future employee, typically brings in around $62,500 per year according to a Bureau of Labor Statistics citation by US News and World Report, meaning that the chosen applicant will have to work at wages far below industry norms. Given the reality that small organizations and businesses do not have unlimited money and sometimes can not afford to raise wages to an arbitrary level, the Freedom Socialist Party’s example proves that its rhetoric about small businesses’ struggles with conforming to a minimum wage are not just a “phony concern,” an argument that party activist Linda Averill advanced in her article promoting Seattle’s $15 minimum wage hike. In fact, it is a very real concern for the Freedom Socialist Party itself.


If there's anything that bothers me more than extreme leftist utopianism, it is blatant hypocrisy.

I think I found a flaw in your argument...
 
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If there's anything that bothers me more than extreme leftist utopianism, it is blatant hypocrisy.

It is a fact of life that those that seek and attain power are all too often unsuitable to wield that power.

I assume that your against workers being paid a minimum wage that allows them to cover living expenses instead of the currently inadequate minimum wage? Is that the point of this thread?
 
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I think I found a flaw in your argument...

FSP supports a $20 minimum wage. That they "helped" to get $15 in Seattle doesn't erase the fact that they themselves prefer $20.

Another important note, FSP is not a large organization with, iirc, fewer than 200 members nationwide. I can't tell if it's deliberate or if journos just don't realize that the more powerful socialist organization in Seattle is the Socialist Alternative. They're two different groups.
 
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FSP supports a $20 minimum wage. That they "helped" to get $15 in Seattle doesn't erase the fact that they themselves prefer $20.

Another important note, FSP is not a large organization with, iirc, fewer than 200 members nationwide. I can't tell if it's deliberate or if journos just don't realize that the more powerful socialist organization in Seattle is the Socialist Alternative. They're two different groups.

Until I can find the details on the $20 plan, let's run with the Seattle $15 plan.

I'll also set aside the silliness of the idea that one side has to fall on their own swords in some imagined ideological purity requiring unilateral adoption of things they never suggested be unilaterally adopted.

When does the legislation they fought for in Seattle mandate a minimum wage above $13/hr? Under the Seattle legislation, what is the current minimum wage in Seattle?
 
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[serious];66489300 said:
Until I can find the details on the $20 plan, let's run with the Seattle $15 plan.

As for the $20, it's part of Freedom Socialist Party's platform.

I'll also set aside the silliness of the idea that one side has to fall on their own swords in some imagined ideological purity requiring unilateral adoption of things they never suggested be unilaterally adopted.

When does the legislation they fought for in Seattle mandate a minimum wage above $13/hr? Under the Seattle legislation, what is the current minimum wage in Seattle?
While I don't know specifically what the phase in plan is, according to this graph from Mayor Murray, anytime between 2015 and 2022 is when workers will have the $13/hr minimum wage.


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[serious];66489300 said:
Until I can find the details on the $20 plan, let's run with the Seattle $15 plan.

I'll also set aside the silliness of the idea that one side has to fall on their own swords in some imagined ideological purity requiring unilateral adoption of things they never suggested be unilaterally adopted.

When does the legislation they fought for in Seattle mandate a minimum wage above $13/hr? Under the Seattle legislation, what is the current minimum wage in Seattle?
Let me help you out using the OP's link:

"The website of Seattle’s Freedom Socialist Party lists its most recent presidential candidate Stephen Durham’s political positions, which include the party’s effort to “raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour.” The group also avidly supported a successful push for a $15-per-hour minimum wage in Seattle, which passed this year. "
 
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Let me help you out using the OP's link:

"The website of Seattle’s Freedom Socialist Party lists its most recent presidential candidate Stephen Durham’s political positions, which include the party’s effort to “raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour.” The group also avidly supported a successful push for a $15-per-hour minimum wage in Seattle, which passed this year. "

You have an interesting definition of details...
 
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It is a fact of life that those that seek and attain power are all too often unsuitable to wield that power.

I assume that your against workers being paid a minimum wage that allows them to cover living expenses instead of the currently inadequate minimum wage? Is that the point of this thread?

i got to this post in the thread, and may go back and read the posts that followed it.

but most employers wittingly and willingly seek to pay as little as possible to their workers, regardless of the consequences to the workers.

quiktrip and home depot are different, and have had good results.

btw, the minimum wage in the usa would be well over $20 per hour if the minimum wage had kept pace with the profits the corporations are making /have made/ since 1950. it would have been $20 per hour 30 years ago !

the minimum wage in australia is $20 per hour. btw. also. (an austrailian said recently)
 
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Interesting that the reference in the link to $15 was sufficient but the reference to $20 is questionable.

Details on Seattle's minimum wage increase are readily available and have been posted in this thread. Feel free to review them if you missed it.
 
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the minimum wage in australia is $20 per hour. btw. also. (an austrailian said recently)

The minimum wage is is about $13 in Australia. The average wage is about $22.

People work far below those rates due to various factors. Some are on 457 visas. These are visas that allow employers to import workers. Some of these workers get $10 or less. Backpackers will work for far less to get a visa to stay in the country. Many workers on average wages effectively get less, because they work a lot of unpaid overtime.

There is much employment insecurity here. People are terrified of becoming unemployed, which plays into the hands of employers. We really need to get together and withdraw our labour to give them perspective about how they actually make their profits.
 
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[serious];66490208 said:
Details on Seattle's minimum wage increase are readily available and have been posted in this thread. Feel free to review them if you missed it.
Oddly enough, the Freedom Socialist Party representative admits in a Huffpo interview that they support a $20 minimum wage and even a $22 minimum wage but they can only afford to pay $13 per hour for the available job. You really can't make this stuff up :D:D:D
 
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It is a fact of life that those that seek and attain power are all too often unsuitable to wield that power.

I assume that your against workers being paid a minimum wage that allows them to cover living expenses instead of the currently inadequate minimum wage? Is that the point of this thread?

Washington state already has the highest minimum wage in the country. Advocates of a $15 minimum wage refuse to consider the impact it will have on small businesses like independently-owned restaurants and convenience stores, etc.
 
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Washington state already has the highest minimum wage in the country. Advocates of a $15 minimum wage refuse to consider the impact it will have on small businesses like independently-owned restaurants and convenience stores, etc.

You need to raise the national minimum for this to even be remotely feasible, or at least the neighboring states.
 
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