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Pro $20 Minimum Wage Group Posts $13-Per-Hour Job Listing

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Yoder777, Oct 18, 2014.

  1. Yoder777

    Yoder777 Senior Veteran

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    $20 Minimum Wage Endorsing Socialist Group Posts $13-Per-Hour Job Listing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

    If there's anything that bothers me more than extreme leftist utopianism, it is blatant hypocrisy.
     
  2. freezerman2000

    freezerman2000 What a long,strange trip it's been! CF Senior Ambassador Angels Team

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    sounds like what's good for the goose is not really good for the gander.
     
  3. Mediaeval

    Mediaeval baptizatus sum

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    It's easier to be generous with other people's money than with one's own.
     
  4. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    I think I found a flaw in your argument...
     
  5. rich1540

    rich1540 Regular Member

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    It is a fact of life that those that seek and attain power are all too often unsuitable to wield that power.

    I assume that your against workers being paid a minimum wage that allows them to cover living expenses instead of the currently inadequate minimum wage? Is that the point of this thread?
     
  6. abdAlSalam

    abdAlSalam Bearded Marxist

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    FSP supports a $20 minimum wage. That they "helped" to get $15 in Seattle doesn't erase the fact that they themselves prefer $20.

    Another important note, FSP is not a large organization with, iirc, fewer than 200 members nationwide. I can't tell if it's deliberate or if journos just don't realize that the more powerful socialist organization in Seattle is the Socialist Alternative. They're two different groups.
     
  7. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    Until I can find the details on the $20 plan, let's run with the Seattle $15 plan.

    I'll also set aside the silliness of the idea that one side has to fall on their own swords in some imagined ideological purity requiring unilateral adoption of things they never suggested be unilaterally adopted.

    When does the legislation they fought for in Seattle mandate a minimum wage above $13/hr? Under the Seattle legislation, what is the current minimum wage in Seattle?
     
  8. abdAlSalam

    abdAlSalam Bearded Marxist

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    While I don't know specifically what the phase in plan is, according to this graph from Mayor Murray, anytime between 2015 and 2022 is when workers will have the $13/hr minimum wage.


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  9. MachZer0

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    Let me help you out using the OP's link:

    "The website of Seattle’s Freedom Socialist Party lists its most recent presidential candidate Stephen Durham’s political positions, which include the party’s effort to “raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour.” The group also avidly supported a successful push for a $15-per-hour minimum wage in Seattle, which passed this year. "
     
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    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    You have an interesting definition of details...
     
  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    i got to this post in the thread, and may go back and read the posts that followed it.

    but most employers wittingly and willingly seek to pay as little as possible to their workers, regardless of the consequences to the workers.

    quiktrip and home depot are different, and have had good results.

    btw, the minimum wage in the usa would be well over $20 per hour if the minimum wage had kept pace with the profits the corporations are making /have made/ since 1950. it would have been $20 per hour 30 years ago !

    the minimum wage in australia is $20 per hour. btw. also. (an austrailian said recently)
     
  12. MachZer0

    MachZer0 Caught Between Barack and a Hard Place

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    Interesting that the reference in the link to $15 was sufficient but the reference to $20 is questionable.
     
  13. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    Details on Seattle's minimum wage increase are readily available and have been posted in this thread. Feel free to review them if you missed it.
     
  14. scraparcs

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    With all these convoluted charts of who has to pay what minimum wage in Seattle, is it possible this group is exempt from those laws?
     
  15. Sketcher

    Sketcher Born Imperishable

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    Much of the time, it actually amuses me.
     
  16. rich1540

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    The minimum wage is is about $13 in Australia. The average wage is about $22.

    People work far below those rates due to various factors. Some are on 457 visas. These are visas that allow employers to import workers. Some of these workers get $10 or less. Backpackers will work for far less to get a visa to stay in the country. Many workers on average wages effectively get less, because they work a lot of unpaid overtime.

    There is much employment insecurity here. People are terrified of becoming unemployed, which plays into the hands of employers. We really need to get together and withdraw our labour to give them perspective about how they actually make their profits.
     
  17. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    These huge hikes aren't necessary and the swings will hurt things more than help. If you think the minimum wage is too low just raise it each year by 5-10% or so (make sure you are beating inflation significantly).
     
  18. MachZer0

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    Oddly enough, the Freedom Socialist Party representative admits in a Huffpo interview that they support a $20 minimum wage and even a $22 minimum wage but they can only afford to pay $13 per hour for the available job. You really can't make this stuff up :D:D:D
     
  19. Yoder777

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    Washington state already has the highest minimum wage in the country. Advocates of a $15 minimum wage refuse to consider the impact it will have on small businesses like independently-owned restaurants and convenience stores, etc.
     
  20. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    You need to raise the national minimum for this to even be remotely feasible, or at least the neighboring states.
     
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