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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BABerean2, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. BABerean2

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    Below is a quote from your source "Judaism 101...", which proves Brother JGR's post above to be correct.

    "What About Jesus?

    Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do."

    Why would you ever consider "Judaism 101" as a source of truth?

    Why did "Judaism 101" ignore Jeremiah 31:31-34?


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  2. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Why do you not post a link from Judaism 101? You got something to hide?

    You did NOT quote that from Judaism 101.

    Had you did, John 2:22-23 would read the following instead:

    John 2:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
    22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
    23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
     
  3. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Easy! You copied and pasted from an earlier post you wrote.

    jgr wrote:

    Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
    "Ecclesiastical History"
    Book V, Chapter XXII



    Here a link to your man-made doctrine!

    Danger: Third temple almost ready. Is the time of AntiChrist near?

    Why do you not post a link? You got something to hide?

    You're gonna need more than popcorn to get yourself out of this one.
     
  4. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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  5. BABerean2

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    You have promoted sources like "Judaism 101", which reject Jesus as the Christ.

    Now you are promoting one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.


    1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


    1Ti_4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

    2Ti_4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Tit_1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    2Pe_1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

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  6. jgr

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    Thanks for the typo alert. Here's the correction:


    1 John 2
    22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    That doesn't appear in Judaism 101, hence no link.
     
  7. jgr

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    Still awaiting your explanation of how divine supernatural phenomena are a "man-made theory".
     
  8. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    So you don't want to help build Jesus a house to live in while He's on earth even though He told us He went to build a house for us to be with God the Father?

    That's what the Temple is all about. Your Lord and King needs a place to dwell in while He's here. Would you rather have Jesus live in a motel?

    Zechariah 1:16 NKJV
    'Therefore thus says the Lord: "I am returning to Jerusalem with mercy; My house shall be built in it," says the Lord of hosts, "And a surveyor's line shall be stretched out over Jerusalem." '

    Zechariah 2:10-12 NKJV
    10 "Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," says the Lord.
    11 Many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you.
    12 And the Lord will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem.
     
  9. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Pssst! Your reply was posted two days ago. Post #55.
     
  10. BABerean2

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    Not only am I helping to build the third temple, but I am a part of it, based on the scripture below.

    Why are you are promoting sources like "Judaism 101" who are rejecting the "chief cornerstone" of that temple?


    1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
    1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
    1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
    1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
    1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
    1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
    1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

    When will you acknowledge that the source you posted here, which is called "Judaism 101", is promoting false doctrine?

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  11. jgr

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    Guffaw!! Saw it two days ago.

    Still awaiting your explanation of how divine supernatural phenomena are a "man-made theory".
     
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    I'm not so certain God EVER wanted a "house to live in". ISTM that was a man-made theory (beginning with King David):

    2 Samuel 7:1-9:
    When the king was settled in his palace, and the LORD had given him rest from all his surrounding enemies,
    the king said to the prophet Nathan, "Look! I'm living in a cedar palace, but God's chest is housed in a tent!"
    Nathan said to the king, "Go ahead and do whatever you are thinking, because the LORD is with you."
    But that very night the LORD's word came to Nathan:
    Go to my servant David and tell him:
    This is what the LORD says: You are not the one to build the temple for me to live in.
    In fact,
    I haven't lived in a temple from the day I brought Israel out of Egypt until now. Instead, I have been traveling around in a tent and in a dwelling.
    Throughout my traveling around with the Israelites,
    did I ever ask any of Israel's tribal leaders I appointed to shepherd my people: Why haven't you built me a cedar temple?
    So then, say this to my servant David: This is what the LORD of heavenly forces says: I took you from the pasture, from following the flock, to be leader over my people Israel.
    I've been with you wherever you've gone, and I've eliminated all your enemies before you. Now I will make your name great—like the name of the greatest people on earth.
     
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    No more animal sacrifices. Read the Letter to the Hebrews
     
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    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    Most Bible scholars agree that the first half of Luke 21:24 is about 70 AD.

    Please check your source "Judaism 101", to see what they say about it.


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  15. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Pssst! Wrong Scripture!

    1 Samuel 7:1-9 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And the men of Kirjathjearim came, and fetched up the ark of the Lord, and brought it into the house of Abinadab in the hill, and sanctified Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the Lord.
    2 And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the Lord.
    3 And Samuel spake unto all the house of Israel, saying, If ye do return unto the Lord with all your hearts, then put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, and prepare your hearts unto the Lord, and serve him only: and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.
    4 Then the children of Israel did put away Baalim and Ashtaroth, and served the Lord only.
    5 And Samuel said, Gather all Israel to Mizpeh, and I will pray for you unto the Lord.
    6 And they gathered together to Mizpeh, and drew water, and poured it out before the Lord, and fasted on that day, and said there, We have sinned against the Lord. And Samuel judged the children of Israel in Mizpeh.
    7 And when the Philistines heard that the children of Israel were gathered together to Mizpeh, the lords of the Philistines went up against Israel. And when the children of Israel heard it, they were afraid of the Philistines.
    8 And the children of Israel said to Samuel, Cease not to cry unto the Lord our God for us, that he will save us out of the hand of the Philistines.
    9 And Samuel took a sucking lamb, and offered it for a burnt offering wholly unto the Lord: and Samuel cried unto the Lord for Israel; and the Lord heard him.


    Not when you read the rest of the bible. Plus you're misinterpreting the book of 2 Samuel 7. Before Solomon built the 1st Temple, the Ark of the Covenant had no place of rest being carried around by the Israelites where they went until David decided to built a Temple to store the Ark.

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    The biblical account continues that, after its creation by Moses, the Ark was carried by the Israelites during their 40 years of wandering in the desert. Whenever the Israelites camped, the Ark was placed in a separate room in a sacred tent, called the Tabernacle.

    When the Israelites, led by Joshua toward the Promised Land, arrived at the banks of the Jordan river, the Ark was carried in the lead preceding the people and was the signal for their advance.[13][14] During the crossing, the river grew dry as soon as the feet of the priests carrying the Ark touched its waters, and remained so until the priests—with the Ark—left the river after the people had passed over.[15][16][17][18] As memorials, twelve stones were taken from the Jordan at the place where the priests had stood.[19]

    In the Battle of Jericho, the Ark was carried round the city once a day for six days, preceded by the armed men and seven priests sounding seven trumpets of rams' horns.[20] On the seventh day, the seven priests sounding the seven trumpets of rams' horns before the Ark compassed the city seven times and, with a great shout, Jericho's wall fell down flat and the people took the city.[21] After the defeat at Ai, Joshua lamented before the Ark.[22] When Joshua read the Law to the people between Mount Gerizim and Mount Ebal, they stood on each side of the Ark. We next hear of the Ark in Bethel where it was being cared for by the priest Phineas the grandson of Aaron (where 'Bethel' is translated 'the House of God' in the King James Version).[23] According to this verse it was consulted by the people of Israel when they were planning to attack the Benjaminites at the battle of Gibeah. Later, however, the Ark was kept at Shiloh, another religious centre some 16 km (10 mi) north of Bethel, at the time of the prophet Samuel's apprenticeship,[24] where it was cared for by Hophni and Phinehas, two sons of Eli.[25]


    Ark of the Covenant - Wikipedia


    Due to David's prior sins, God chose Solomon to build His Temple instead. And God selected Jerusalem as the place where His Temple shall be built.

    2 Samuel 7:5-7
    5 “Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: You are not the one to build a house for me to live in. 6 I did not live in a house at the time I took the Israelites out of Egypt. No, I traveled around in a tent. I used the tent for my home. 7 I never told any of the tribes of Israel to build me a fancy house made from cedar wood.’

    Psalm 132:13-14
    13 The Lord has chosen Zion to be the place for his Temple,
    the place he wanted for his home.
    14 He said, “This will always be my place of rest.
    This is where I want to sit on my throne.
     
  16. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Most scholars on this forum does not mean most scholars around the world. Only the preterists on this forum agrees with you.


    It says the Messiah will be anointed in oil! Fulfilling bible prophecy!

    The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

    Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

    They won't consecrate Jesus without first the construction of a temple. It's simple logic, not like which came first, the chicken or the egg, which gets you nowhere.
     
  17. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Well you got a long wait ahead of you buddy until you can prove where in any of your past posts were actual quotes directly from the bible, otherwise it's all just quotes from man-made theories of what someone thinks the bible said: preterism.

    Feel free to show me anywhere you quoted directly from the bible in any of you posts, and I'll be happy to give an explanation. Simple huh?
     
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    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    1 Peter 2:5 NKJV
    you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

    Read it carefully BAB!

    1 Peter 2 doesn't apply to you. This applies to those who are offering spiritual sacrifices to God. Acceptable offerings based on Scripture. In other words, bible truth. You're doing the opposite when rejecting Jesus His throne on earth. You're doing the opposite when rejecting all the Scriptures of a third Temple. You're doing the opposite when you reject the Jews proclaiming Jesus as their Messiah which clearly shows they will make Jesus their King in the bible. As well as the many other things you're rejecting from the bible. It doesn't help when your case when you're pushing preterism / Amil / replacement theology around here.

    You need to understand Matthew 10:33 before it's too late. Anything having to do with Jesus is a violation of Matthew 10:33, especially all the prophecies.

    For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 19:10

    Matthew 10:33
    but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

    This also applies to His return, His throne on earth (His temple) and His reign on earth (PreMil).



    What false doctrine? You got something against the Jews or Judaism 101?

    Judaism 101
     
  19. BABerean2

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    The following comes from your source.
    These people are lost, without Christ.
    We should be preaching the Gospel to them, instead of promoting them as a source of truth.


    "OK, so why don't Jews believe in Jesus?
    The first thing you need to understand is, we do not believe in the Christian "New Testament." It's not part of our Bible. Many Christians find this confusing: how can you accept one part of a book without accepting another part of the book. But the Bible is not one book; it's a collection of books. Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Mormons each have their own idea of what books belong in that collection. You wouldn't accept another religion's idea of what belongs in your Bible, so you shouldn't expect Jews to accept your idea of what belongs in our Bible.

    But assuming for the sake of this discussion that the Christian scriptures have some basis in fact: Jews had a rather clearly-formed idea of the messiah and a messianic age long before Jesus came along, and Jesus just didn't live up to it. Jews expected the restoration of the Davidic monarchy and a just and peaceful society throughout the world, as foretold by the prophets during the age of the Babylonian Exile. The Jews of the Roman Empire desperately longed for that beautiful ideal as they suffered under Roman tyranny. They weren't looking for an incarnated god who would die and absolve them of their sins, because the sin and salvation aren't the core of Judaism, the way they are in many branches of Christianity.

    From what three of the Christian gospels say, it appears that Jesus's own followers weren't expecting a suffering, self-sacrificing messiah. See, for example, Matthew 16: they knew that he was the messiah (v. 16), but Jesus had to teach them that he was going to suffer and die (v. 21), and even after he said this, Peter couldn't believe it (v. 22). It sounds to me like Jesus's closest followers were not aware of any Jewish teaching about the messiah suffering and dying, and they were not ready to believe it. The same pattern appears in Mark 8 (v. 28: they know he is messiah; v. 30: he teaches about suffering; v. 31: Peter doesn't believe it), and similarly in Luke 9 (v. 20: they know; v. 22: he teaches; the denial is not there); John never talks about this incident.

    Jews don't believe that Jesus is the messiah because, quite simply, he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do, the things that the prophets proclaimed the messiah would do. See Mashiach: The Messiah. Christianity gets around this by saying that Jesus will come back to do all of those things. From a Jewish perspective, however, the messiah is identified by his tangible acts, and promises to finish the job in the future aren't going to convince us."

    The modern Church has done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews.
    The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel 9, prove that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.

    I have never seen this simple three-part Gospel message presented on Christian television. Why not?
    Your Two Peoples of God doctrine is part of the problem, instead of the solution.


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    Even John Nelson Darby admitted that part of Luke chapter 21 was about 70 AD.

    "Luke 21:1-38

    The Lord's discourse in chapter 21 displays the character of the Gospel in a peculiar manner. The spirit of grace, in contrast with the Judaic spirit, is seen in the account of the poor widow's offering. But the Lord's prophecy requires more detailed notice. Verse 6 (Luk_21:9), as we saw at the end of chapter 19, speaks only of the destruction of Jerusalem as she then stood. This is true also of the disciples' question. They say nothing of the end of the age. The Lord afterwards enters upon the duties and the circumstances of His disciples previous to that hour. In Verse 8 (Luk_21:8) it is said, "The time draweth near," which is not found in Matthew. He goes much more into detail with regard to their ministry during that period, encourages them, promises them necessary help. Persecution should turn to them for a testimony. From the middle of Verse 11 to the end of Verse 19 (Luk_21:11-19) we have details relative to His disciples, that are not found in the corresponding passage of Matthew. They present the general state of things in the same sense, adding the condition of the Jews, of those especially who, more or less, professedly received the word. The whole stream of testimony, as rendered in connection with Israel, but extending to the nations, is found in Matthew to the end of Verse 14 (Luk_21:14). In Luke it is the coming service of the disciples, until the moment when the judgment of God should put an end to that which was virtually terminated by the rejection of Christ. Consequently the Lord says nothing in Verse 20 (Luk_21:20) of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, but gives the fact of the siege of Jerusalem, and its then approaching desolation — not the end of the age, as in Matthew. These were the days of vengeance on the Jews, who had crowned their rebellion by rejecting the Lord. Therefore Jerusalem should be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles were fulfilled, that is, the times destined to the sovereignty of the Gentile empires according to the counsel of God revealed in the prophecies of Daniel. This is the period in which we now live. There is a break here in the discourse. Its principal subject is ended; but there are still some events of the last scene to be revealed, which close the history of this Gentile supremacy.
    We shall see also that, although it is the commencement of the judgment, from which Jerusalem will not arise until all is accomplished and the song of Isaiah 40 is addressed to her, nevertheless, the great tribulation is not mentioned here. There is great distress, and wrath upon the people, as was indeed the case in the siege of Jerusalem by Titus; and the Jews were also led away captive. Neither is it said, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." Nevertheless, without designating the epoch, but after having spoken of the times of the Gentiles, the end of the age comes. There are signs in heaven, distress on earth, a mighty movement in the waves of human population. The heart of man, moved by a prophetic alarm, foresees the calamities which, still unknown, are threatening him; for all the influences that govern men are shaken. Then shall they see the Son of man, once rejected from the earth, coming from heaven with the ensigns of Jehovah, with power and great glory — the Son of man, of whom this Gospel has always spoken. There the prophecy ends. We have not here the gathering together of the elect Israelites, who had been dispersed, of which Matthew speaks.
    That which follows consists of exhortations, in order that the day of distress may be a token of deliverance to the faith of those who, trusting in the Lord, obey the voice of His servant. The "generation" (a word already explained when considering Matthew) should not pass away till all was fulfilled. The length of the time that has elapsed since then, and that must elapse until the end, is left in darkness. Heavenly things are not measured by dates. Moreover that moment is hidden in the knowledge of the Father. Still heaven and earth should pass away, but not the words of Jesus. He then tells them that, as dwelling on earth, they must be watchful, lest their own hearts should be overcharged with things that would sink them into this world, in the midst of which they were to be witnesses. For that day would come as a snare upon all those who had their dwelling here, who were rooted here. They were to watch and pray, in order to escape all those things, and to stand in the presence of the Son of man. This is still the great subject of our Gospel. To be with Him, as those who have escaped from the earth, to be among the 144,000 on Mount Zion, will be an accomplishment of this blessing, but the place is not named; so that, supposing the faithfulness of those whom He was personally addressing, the hope awakened by His words would be fulfilled in a more excellent manner in His heavenly presence in the day of glory."

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