Priest gets heat for denying lesbian Communion at mother's funeral

[JacktheCatholic]

The story behind priest who denied Host to lesbian​

It is like I posted earlier, a "can of worms."

Two opposing sides to this.

Let me quote from your link what I think sums your link up:

In addition, an email circulating in the Diocese which claims to have originated from a group of people who met with Father shortly after the incident says the following:
“Fr knew the lady was a practicing lesbian because she came into the sacristy and introduced her ‘lover’ to Fr just before the Mass. He quietly denied her communion (so quietly that the Euch minister next to him didn’t realize that he did), and the woman promptly went to the other line and received communion anyway! He left to use the restroom (he was getting a migraine) between the eulogies, but did finish the ceremony and escorted the casket out. He made arrangements for there to be another priest at the gravesite and there was. He felt that it was a matter of conscience to deny her communion since he had been informed that she was an active homosexual by her own admission.”
Another statement from the Archdiocese about the incident was published yesterday in the Washington Post. The statement noted that “no one is entitled to the Eucharist,” and that “any person who obstinately perseveres in manifest grave sin is not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”
The statement also said that situations which called for denial of communion “ideally” would be handled by “discussing the consequences of such sin with the person privately before actually denying them Communion.”

 

[Chany]

It's always something with the Church. Why can't I find anything on the priest's side from a solid source?

 

[Tigg]

Where did you find the rest of the story? Certainly not from an anonymous source that contacted a webrag known for playing fast and loose with facts. Keep your eye on the diocese. They will make with the truth when and if they know enough to comment further.

From Michie's source. Exclusive: Inside sources provide new info on priest censured for denying lesbian Communion | LifeSiteNews.com

You call this a webrag known for playing fast and loose with facts. Support your accusation with sources and facts. If not then this is your opinion and should be stated as such.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I hadn't heard that they were having public sex or claiming to have had sexual contact with each other.

I don't think it's safe to assume that unmarried couples who live together are sexually active with each other. Most probably are, but that doesn't make me ready to conclude that they are unworthy of recieving the Eucharist without knowing more. Most men between the ages of 18 and 60masturbate with some rugularity, but I don't think that being a man aged 18-60 is cause to be denied the Eucharist either.

If someone is introduced as a lover it doesnt take a whole lot of guess work.

 

[benedictaoo]

It's always something with the Church. Why can't I find anything on the priest's side from a solid source?

Because "the Church" always feel it best to not say anything. Its virtuous not to, however with the sex abuse and everything else that goes down, they truly need to do something. Bad PR is kicking their butts.

 

[WarriorAngel]

From Michie's source. Exclusive: Inside sources provide new info on priest censured for denying lesbian Communion | LifeSiteNews.com

You call this a webrag known for playing fast and loose with facts. Support your accusation with sources and facts. If not then this is your opinion and should be stated as such.

Umma gonna say this again and i dont care if it is unpopular - this smells like a set up.
The lesbian knew - she knew she could not receive....hence she had her LOVER block the door.

Johnson initially came into the sacristy to discuss the details of the two eulogies that were supposed to be delivered, but left abruptly and returned with her brother and another woman, whom she introduced as her “lover.”
Following this introduction, Johnson made a second abrupt exit, this time with her lover reportedly blocking the door in an apparent attempt to prevent any further conversation between Fr. Guarnizo and Johnson.

I applaud this priest and wish and PRAY so hard we receive more of his nature.

I get indignant - i flash red all over when i hear ppl like this being defended.
Thre is no defense.

Sure there is contrition - but as of now - and going to the media - no - no there is NO defense.

AND as Catholics we should be behind the priest. HE did right by God.

Loving souls means saying NO to them when it means peril. Loving God means protecting His Holiness from blaspheming His Body and Blood.

IF you do not get that - now you were told. Like it or lump people. You know how i roll.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Because "the Church" always feel it best to not say anything. Its virtuous not to, however with the sex abuse and everything else that goes down, they truly need to do something. Bad PR is kicking their butts.

Bad PR?

Oh, tell me you do not mean kissing up to the world... tell me this is my misunderstanding of your thots.

The Church needs strong and faithful, not lukewarm bench warmers.

 

[WarriorAngel]

It's always something with the Church. Why can't I find anything on the priest's side from a solid source?

Because we live in the world and are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OF THE WORLD.
IE - we dont kiss up to the expectations of the world and never should.

So when you are UNPOPULAR - that means you are doing it right.
Meantime, where were Christ's defenders at His Passion?


SO as long as we live in this world the defense will be almost nill, but thats ok, because no one was on Christ's side except His Mother and she was defenseless.


HE said 'The world hated me first...'

So pray and know this priest did well. Anything else is purely worldly.

 

[WarriorAngel]

AND something else boiling me up.

. The priest proceeded with the Mass, but decided to remind the congregation before Communion of what is required to be properly disposed to receive. Stauffenberg reports that when Johnson approached for Communion anyway, Fr. Guarnizo turned her away in a manner so discreet that the Extraordinary Minister standing a few feet away did not know what had occurred. Johnson then crossed over to the Extraordinary minister’s line and was given communion.

And you all are defending her...???




Lord protect your servant from this world... keep your chosen priest in your grace and do not let him despair in the face of such assaults.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Lord protect your servant from this world... keep your chosen priest in your grace and do not let him despair in the face of such assaults.

 

[MikeK]

WA, you're aware that what you're accepting as fact - the girlfriend being introduced as "lover" - is coming from a single, unnamed source that contacted LSN, right? You're also aware that the Priest's Bishop has corrected him, right?

The truth will come out, no need to go believing what you want to believe just because it aligns with what you'd like to believe. Patience.

 

[MikeK]

You call this a webrag known for playing fast and loose with facts. Support your accusation with sources and facts. If not then this is your opinion and should be stated as such.

It is my opinion that any person who thinks LSN is an honest news source with even a shred of journalistic integrity is an idiot.

 

[Tigg]

Umma gonna say this again and i dont care if it is unpopular - this smells like a set up.
The lesbian knew - she knew she could not receive....hence she had her LOVER block the door.




I applaud this priest and wish and PRAY so hard we receive more of his nature.

I get indignant - i flash red all over when i hear ppl like this being defended.
Thre is no defense.

Sure there is contrition - but as of now - and going to the media - no - no there is NO defense.

AND as Catholics we should be behind the priest. HE did right by God.

Loving souls means saying NO to them when it means peril. Loving God means protecting His Holiness from blaspheming His Body and Blood.

IF you do not get that - now you were told. Like it or lump people. You know how i roll.

Agree. I wish the church would sue but won't. Does make me want to kick her posterior end all over the place.

 

[Tigg]

It is my opinion that any person who thinks LSN is an honest news source with even a shred of journalistic integrity is an idiot.

OK. Lol I am an idiot huh. IYO. I do not yet consider you an idiot - not yet but maybe in the future sometime?. Never know...

 

[Tigg]

 

[WarriorAngel]

WA, you're aware that what you're accepting as fact - the girlfriend being introduced as "lover" - is coming from a single, unnamed source that contacted LSN, right? You're also aware that the Priest's Bishop has corrected him, right?

The truth will come out, no need to go believing what you want to believe just because it aligns with what you'd like to believe. Patience.

The Bishop got an angry letter from a non parish member who gave her side of the story.
His reprimanding was probably light.

But here is the thing - i am from Pgh. As you know. I always went to the Resurrection Church - and when i visited i loved this one priest.
I mean totally could knock your socks off kinda preacher.
He was awesome etc etc

So i was at Mass - went back to my mums and was like 'Where is Father..?' and my sis was like 'O he got in trouble because he preached at Easter that Church was supposed to be a weekly celebration and NOT just Christmas and Easter.
And that got some bee in a bonnet all fired up.
So they wrote a letter to the Bishop about his method of preaching and blah blah blah.... yadda yadda yadda.
The Bishops reprimanded him and THEN MOVED him.

SO quite frankly and truly - i dont care if the Bishop reprimanded him based on an angry letter - that Bishop IMHO should have stood behind the priest.
Should have stood behind him no matter what because he was doing the right thing.

THE entire gay community knows she is gay. It takes only common sense to know she is active.
The priest would not have known ONE single thing - if she was gay or visiting the parish or anything if she didnt run her mouth at him.

AND to accuse the priest - follow this line of common sense - to accuse the priest first thing of doing this BECAUSE SHE IS GAY - means she let him know.

Yes, otherwise she would be assuming his actions - but we both know that there is no assumption going on when she goes to any media to state for fact he did this because she is gay.

NOW what part of this is not striking the head of those defending her??
DO we really need a lightening bolt to hit us before we say 'Ohhhhh.'

For her to make claims he did this because she was gay - had to be because she let him know she was gay.

It is my opinion that any person who thinks LSN is an honest news source with even a shred of journalistic integrity is an idiot.

I would take the word of this site over NY times or any other liberally bent puppet out there.
A d for the record, i personally do not believe i am an idiot and if i am i try to check things - think thru logically before i voice my concerns.

She set the priest up... its right in front of our noses. Period!

 

[MikeK]

You're taking an anonomous informant's information as fact and filling in the gaps with your suppositions, WA. You're also stating what a Bishop (who likely posesses information that you do not) should have acted differently than he did. You are on dangerous ground.

I would take the word of this site over NY times or any other liberally bent puppet out there.

It isn't an either/or. Neither have a recent history of honest, ethical journalism.

 

[benedictaoo]

Bad PR?

Oh, tell me you do not mean kissing up to the world... tell me this is my misunderstanding of your thots.

The Church needs strong and faithful, not lukewarm bench warmers.

heck no, WA... they just need to answer to allegations whether it be sex abuse or denying communion.

They feel it virtuous not to, kinda like Jesus not defending himself when he was incarcerated but what ever, if you can not understand why the Church is silent 99.9% of the time.

But the thing is, its kicking their butts. They need to be honest with the public and say what really goes down.

They keep their side of the story to themselves and feel that is what we are supposed to do. But as we can see, it leads to much speculation and it gives their haters room to tell stories on them.

My point is, the Church officials is not going to give you their side of the story and will allow bloggers and /or the media with their own biases and agendas to do it for them and there in lies our problem.

Now. there is nothing wrong with what I just said... so don't try to come back finding fault with it. Its not an attack against the Church. Its a defense of them, why they do not themselves tell what happened.

all of the sources, from the ones you like to the one you do not like, they DO NOT officially speak for the Church.

alls I'm saying is the Church needs to talk for itself, be its own mouth piece and they don't for what ever reason. and you interpret that to say that I think they need to be worldly.

Okay WA... okay.

 

[benedictaoo]

You're taking an anonomous informant's information as fact and filling in the gaps with your suppositions, WA. You're also stating what a Bishop (who likely posesses information that you do not) should have acted differently than he did. You are on dangerous ground.



It isn't an either/or. Neither have a recent history of honest, ethical journalism.

The Church isn't going to give its side of the story... the Church rarely does. The Church will allow everyone from the haters to the congratulators to give it for them and that is the crux.

 

[benedictaoo]

Agree. I wish the church would sue but won't. Does make me want to kick her posterior end all over the place.

Its against our beliefs to sue.