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Priest accused of causing "mental conflict" by preaching Catholic doctrine; gay...

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. ThePilgrim

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    He had a two-year, pastoral relationship with a Catholic student who was an altar server and who was considering seminary. The student, as a Catholic, almost certainly already knew what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexual activity.

    In one of the articles on this, the student mentions that the priest even knew that he was gay for those two years, and treated him with kindness and respect, but that he was upset when the priest objected to him having begun an actual, physical relationship, since the priest counseled him not to continue with the physical relationship.

    Given that context, it's hard to imagine how the priest could have acted otherwise. Really, it's hard to imagine that the priest would have not told him the same thing if it were a heterosexual dating relationship. It would be surprising if the student wasn't aware that the Catholic Church opposes all sexual activity outside of marriage. If he was unaware that Catholics are against premarital sex, it's certainly appropriate for the priest to let him know that.

    What makes it even stranger is the fact that he somehow thought that this relationship would be compatible with a priestly vocation in the Catholic Church. Even the most unreligious people I know are aware that Catholic priests are celibate.

    Is it really plausible that this student, who reads a lot and was very actively involved in the Church, was unaware of the Catholic discipline of priestly celibacy, and the Catholic teachings on homosexual activity, premarital sex, and abortion?

    If, by the student's own admission, the priest treated him with respect while knowing about his SSA for two years, then it's hard to see this as anything other than an attempt to punish the priest for refusing to teach other than what he is duty-bound to teach.

    In Christ,
    Fr. John
     
  2. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    *Takes a deep breath* You are a breath of fresh air here in OBOB. A rare commodity. The trend is playing devil's advocate & splitting hairs 99.9% of the time. Thank you.
     
  3. Chany

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    Am I not fresh enough for you, Michie? :cry:
     
  4. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    I do enjoy your posts Chany. :)
     
  5. MKJ

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    I did not suggest that any of these things that happened in this instance were wrong or implausible, and I do not think ebia did either - he at most suggested that maybe the priest may not have handled the issue sensitively. I think you are reading what you imagine we are saying into our posts. Since you dont know us, I have to wonder on what basis.

    There has been something of a side-related discussion here about the role of a chaplain as opposed to that of a parish priest, which was what my post that you commented on was talking about, and it was partly what ebia was talking about too - that is, the general principles involved with that kind of job as opposed to regular parish work.

    In fact I have said several times, including in posts responding to you, that I do not see how what is reported to have happend with this particular student and priest could be a problem. I have even in previous posts made the very same comment you have here that it is strange that the student did not already know what the Catholic teaching on this issue is, and that it would be doing him no favours to keep him in the dark.

    So I am really starting to wonder why you seem so keen to have me saying things I have never said in this discussion.
     
  6. Tallguy88

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    I think this is the biggest issue. They don't like Catholic teaching and are trying to shoot the messenger, regardless of his presentation.

    Father bless...
     
  7. eastcoast_bsc

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    Sound like two privileged brats that think the world revolves around them. If they don't agree with catholic teaching maybe they should attend a different church.
     
  8. eastcoast_bsc

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    Michie true story here. A few years back during a layoff I went back to finish a degree. In the school newspaper a young girl does a sex column. That particular week she discussed the etiquette of oral sex.

    So I clicked on the link that invited responses and asked her if her parents were proud of her writing about performing oral sex on boys.

    I received an e-mail stating they needed my full name in order to post my response.

    I declined knowing that the PC police would have come howling.

    Point is that colleges are NOT about being open and inclusive. They are about adhering to a clear politically correct orthodoxy and if one dares to stray, they will do what they are attempting to do to the priest in the original post.
     
  9. Tallguy88

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    They did. One of them is now an Old Catholic priest.
     
  10. eastcoast_bsc

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    I was snooping around GWU website and I found the Multicultural center's website where they list the staff. This I found odd. Doesn't there seem to be a conflict of interests. he is
    Why would they merge these two roles ?





     
  11. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    The hypocrisy is astounding & even more so because these people cannot even see it. Just doing a bit of research on these two students speaks for itself. This has been a long time coming. I'm sure this did not surprise the priest in the slightest.

    Student newspapers love to try to rock the boat, always have. I'm sure they were sorely disappointed when you did not go for the bait.
     
  12. eastcoast_bsc

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    Exactly. I wasn't going to bite. They probably thought I was some young naive kid. No flies on me, and if there are, they are paying rent.
     
  13. GNJ

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    It really depends on how hard he's going with it. I'm gay, and I can take the usual "it's a sin" etcetera, I have no problem with a priest or a parishioner preaching, that, but if it becomes hateful or plain abusive is where I start to see problems. My laptop won't let me read the article in full so I don't know the story, but this priest may well be crossing the line between expressing the teachings of the Church and spewing hate against homosexuals, which is very much against the views of the Church.
     
  14. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    No, the student himself said he has always been treated respectfully by this priest. This has been a long time coming. Both students are gay activists. They are not going to be happy till the RCC changes their stance regardless of what they say about not trying to change it.

    It's just that the Faith has caused them all this mental conflict. :rolleyes:
     
  15. ebia

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    And fourthly, because a chaplain is authorised by the institution he serves as well as the church that sends him.
     
  16. ebia

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    i suggested that might be one option to refer the conversation about sexuality elsewhere.

    Being a chaplain involves setting aside black and white answers. Someone who can't do that is unsuited to counceling , which is rarely about telling people things.
     
  17. ebia

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    Their opinion on the content on his faith, however, is almost certainly shaped by the way he expresses it.
     
  18. Fantine

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    I have written lots of letters to the editor in my day, and I have also worked for newspapers. It is a universal policy for newspapers to ask for your name and address and verify that you are who you are, and college newspapers, run by students aspiring to be journalists would follow that policy.

    Now that there are online-only newspapers, some follow an 'anonymous' policy, and I might post a comment every few weeks, usually anonymously (the politically correct police out here are arch conservatives, and even worse, they all own guns).
     
  19. MKJ

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    Yes - typically better quality papers require people to register under their own names to post comments.

    It is about people responding taking responsibility for their comments.

    It also tends to create more civility - people often refrain from more nasty and questionable comments when people know their real names.
     
  20. Michie

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