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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by robycop3, Aug 22, 2021.

  1. robycop3

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    The ones who die in sin aren't. And that the SCRIPTURAL view; I didn't invent it.
    Rev. 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
     
  2. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    Under your interpretation, how can there be "day and night" continuing in this Lake of Fire? This is not referring to the eternal state, but to ordinary living conditions on this planet.
     
  3. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Aren't what?


    Right.
    So you Agree with the SCRIPTURAL view, that sin and suffering never go away. They will ALWAYS exist, forever.

    Gotcha.
     
  4. Timtofly

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    So in other words, hold out for the beheading, because God is a loving God only to those beheaded? Revelation 20:4
     
  5. Timtofly

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    You don't read history?

    You fail to see the church as the one gathering the harvest in the last 1991 years.

    Why would Scripture contain the history of the Roman CC? Wait, you do not view the RCC as the alledged church at all in past history?

    Show me a church that is 100% pure from this world's influence.
     
  6. robycop3

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    It'll be day & night where the smoke from the LOF is rising.
     
  7. robycop3

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    Completely eradicated.




    SCRIPTURE says the wicked will exist in hell forever. Bottom line.
     
  8. parousia70

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    So they wont be completely eradicated then, will they?

    Gald to find an area of agreement with you!
    We Both Agree that Sin and Suffering are never eradicated from existence.
     
  9. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    God is one who ALWAYS keeps His promises. The warning He gave to Adam applies to ALL who sin and who are sinners. It was our representative Adam who passed down this death sentence upon us all, because all of us have given proof of that by voluntarily sinning ourselves. If God did not follow through with His promise that sin WILL RESULT in death and separation from Him, then He would indeed be a liar. A translation-type of change for all the living believers without their dying would negate God's law of consequences for sin. That one-time sentence of physical death must be fulfilled for each of us, or order for God to be consistent with His own law. Thankfully, that is NOT the end of the story for the believers who are His children.
     
  10. robycop3

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    Thanx, but I'm going by what SCRIPTURE says. I don't believe any man-made doctrines of faith/worship. That includes "regenerational baptism, word/faith", man-made dress or dietary rules, and, of course, the preterism & KJVO myths, among others.
     
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    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    Exactly. The "Lake of Fire" was a LOCAL PHENOMENA on earth, for living people to experience those torments, while day and night were still a reality of their existence on this earth. This "Lake of Fire" is not describing a perpetual eternal state at all for anyone.
     
  12. parousia70

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    You're Welcome :oldthumbsup:
     
  13. Ed Parenteau

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    It must happen within the the timeframe Jesus gives it. Within that generation at a time not known.
    Matthew 24
    34Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
    36“But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
    That generation, but within that generation no one knows the day or hour.
     
  14. Timtofly

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    You claim a body has to turn to dust, before it is considered dead. This body is born dead. It is corruptible from birth. So being born is that appointment to death, not the body turning to dust.
     
  15. Timtofly

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    The generation who lives when the fig tree blooms.

    You objected that the church was given the responsibility of the gospel after the Jews were responsible for the Law, and now you change the subject.

    Do you think the church went obsolete by 70AD, and God came and handed the responsibility to somebody else, at that point? If not the church, who is currently responsible?

    Seems to me the emphasis is placed on 70AD, and not the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It was at the Cross when God came down and took that responsibility away from Israel, and gave it to the church.
     
  16. robycop3

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    HORSE FEATHERS!

    The Scripture says that smoke shall rise FOR EVER. You're denying Scripture again.

    Rev. 20: 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Rev. 14:And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
     
  17. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    No, the scripture says that when the spirit leaves the body, that death of the body occurs ("As the body without the spirit is dead..." James 2:26).

    Death of ALL KINDS resulted from Adam's separation from God at the Fall. Spirit, soul, and body are all affected when they are separated from fellowship with God, the Source of All Life. The body is subject to death and decay even from conception, since even children in the womb from conception onward have died.
     
  18. Timtofly

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    You deny that we have a corruptible body?
     
  19. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    You need to do a more intense study of the terms scripture uses to indicate something with a permanent effect. Scripture uses versions of this term "aionas aionon" in other places as well, when referring to age-lasting events. Hannah told her husband Elkanah that she would nurse Samuel until he could be brought to the Lord's house in Shiloh, and could "there abide FOREVER", yet Samuel eventually died, did he not?

    Didn't Isaiah prophesy that the land of his people would be abandoned, and that "the forts and towers shall be for dens FOREVER, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks: UNTIL the spirit be poured upon us from on high..."? Here we have a "FOREVER" condition lasting only "UNTIL" something else happened, ie, the end of the 70 years of captivity.

    Wasn't the high priesthood promised to the descendants of Phinehas "the covenant of an EVERLASTING PRIESTHOOD" in Numbers 25:13? Yet we know that Christ's high priesthood eventually changed the law and established HIM as the only high priest necessary, setting aside the "everlasting" Phinehas' family covenant.

    The nation of Idumea in Isaiah 34:8-10 was also promised an identical punishment as in Revelation 14:11 "And the streams therof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust therof into brimstone, and the land therof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up FOR EVER: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it FOR EVER AND EVER." This is an age-enduring punishment for Idumea, which has never risen to existence again from one generation to another since then. However, the literal smoke of its destruction has long since dissipated.
     
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    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

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    Of course not. I just said that humanity has inherited that corruptible state from a fallen Adam, which gives evidence of having been corrupted even from conception onward. "Corruptible", simply means "subjected to corruption". The physical body itself is not evil, but it has been affected by evil, much the same way that radiation poisoning effects the physical body, which is given a certain death sentence from that exposure.

    God has taken pity on our physical bodies' poisoned existence, and has designed a complete salvation inheritance for His children - body, soul, and spirit - by incrementally saving all three things from death's effects.
     
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