• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.
  3. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.
  4. There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change.
  5. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected.
  6. We are no longer allowing posts or threads that deny the existence of Covid-19. Members have lost loved ones to this virus and are grieving. As a Christian site, we do not need to add to the pain of the loss by allowing posts that deny the existence of the virus that killed their loved one. Future post denying the Covid-19 existence, calling it a hoax, will be addressed via the warning system.

Preterism-phony as a Ford Corvette

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by robycop3, Aug 22, 2021.

  1. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    "We shall not all sleep" is plain as day!!!!!!!!!!!

    "Hell" being thrown into the LOF is a mistranslation of 'hades' in the KJV & a few other versions. And in most translations, when Jesus said "gehenna', it's translated as "hell".



    How goofy ! !
    The LOF was prepared for the devil & his angels long ago, and God has chosen to cast wicked men into it as well.


    Pure and incorrect conjecture. There certainly be wailing & gnashing of teeth in hell, the LOF.

    MMRRPP ! WRONG !

    Again, "we shall not all sleep" is plain as it can get ! ! !
     
  2. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    Josephus was a REBEL LEADER, captured by Vespasian, who was ready to decapitate him until he offered to dictate & write a history of the Jews, which V wanted to know, in order to better deal with them & understand the cause of their rebellion. He so impressed V that he made J a member of the Flavius family, forgetting his rebel activity. But J never forgot he was still on precarious ground & was very careful to not say or write anything that would displease V, and later, Titus. While much of his history is true, he added a few things, altered some stories, & left a few things out to avoid upsetting his patrons.

    Funny that only J "recalled" seeing chariots in the sky, etc. above Jerusalem, while over 100,000 other people missed it! tacitus likely heard stuff from those who'd read Josephus' stuff, (Maybe he himself had read it.) while Seneca died 65 AD, before the siege of J, & so couldn't've seen it.

    And Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's Encyclopedia, & World Book are hardly "Cliff's Notes"!

    You prets are at a loss to tell us who the "beast/antichrist" was, who the false prophet was, or describe the mark of the beast, or many other prophesied events, because they simply HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED!
     
  3. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    ...Except you have a MAJOR prob-HE HASN'T YET RETURNED ! !
     
  4. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

    444
    +82
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    I agree that Josephus became one of the rebel leaders. Josephus was one of the 10 "horns" on the Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17:12. These 10 "horns" were the 10 generals chosen in AD 66 to prepare for the war with the Romans. Josephus lists all of these 10 "horns", including himself, in Wars 2.20.4.

    As for being "at a loss to tell us who the 'beast/antichrist' was" (which were really not the same thing), "who the false prophet was, or describe the mark of the beast, or many other prophesied events...", I have already done so many times over on the GCF website, and am continuing to do the same here on christianforums as well. Your acceptance of this material or your rejection of it represents only one viewpoint among the many thousands who read this forum. No more, and no less. You and I are both "playing to the gallery", so to speak, and I don't really expect to change you from your already-settled position. However, for those who are still analyzing and weighing these things in their minds, I'm continuing to offer evidence of an alternate position for them to consider besides your own.
     
  5. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

    444
    +82
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    Yes indeed, God certainly did that very thing back in the AD 70 era. Why do you think John in Revelation 18:2 and Isaiah 24:21-23 both prophesied of "every unclean spirit" and the "host of the high ones" being punished by their imprisonment in the city of Jerusalem? God gathered them all together into that city, and the devils and unclean spirits and Satan plagued the citizens with their seven-fold wickedness tormenting the people of that city in its "last state". Truly a type of "Great Tribulation" that will never again be repeated in times after AD 70.

    When "Death and Hell (Hades - the grave)" were cast into the Lake of Fire in Jerusalem in AD 70, God got rid of the wicked in that local site of judgment, as well as the entire demonic realm which was reduced to ashes, as prophesied in Malachi 4:3 and Ezekiel 28:18.

    You continue to call "Hell" and the "Lake of Fire" the same thing, and they are NOT. Hell (Hades - the grave) was thrown INTO the Lake of Fire, picturing the destruction of the wicked dead, so Hell and the LOF have to be two separate things.
     
  6. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

    444
    +82
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    If your chosen interpretation of "We shall not all sleep" in 1 Cor. 15:51 is presuming that some will not die, then you are flatly contradicting Hebrews 9:27 which says that all are APPOINTED "ONCE TO DIE". You have NOT reconciled these two texts with your assumption that the living are somehow "translated" without dying. Your interpretation requiring a supposed "translation" change of the living at the rapture creates a man-made contradiction between scriptures.
     
  7. 3 Resurrections

    3 Resurrections That's 666 YEARS, folks

    444
    +82
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    Seneca wrote evidence of some of the "beginning of sorrows", namely the surge of seismic activity in those years just prior to the "Great Tribulation" breaking out in AD 66. Seneca wrote a volume called "Concerning Earthquakes", following the AD 63 Vesuvius earthquake - a precursor to its later cataclysmic eruption in AD 73. Christ had already told the disciples that an increased surge in seismic activity, (among other natural disasters and wars among nations), would occur just prior to those years of Great Tribulation (the "Days of vengeance"), which started when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in AD 66, and lasted until AD 70, which period of tribulation would be unlike any before or after that time in history to come.
     
  8. Ed Parenteau

    Ed Parenteau Member Supporter

    206
    +82
    Christian
    Married
    Maybe it's your understanding of His Coming that is wrong
    because you obviously don't believe the verses I gave you, so you probably don't believe the following clearly stated verses either:
    James 5:8 You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near.
    1 Peter 4: The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.
    Romans 13:11Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. 12The night is far gone; the day is at hand.
    1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.
    1 John 4:6We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    Is this your expectation of the coming of the Lord?
    20Now He was questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, and He answered them and said,
    “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs that can be observed; 21nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
     
  9. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    No, the 10 horns will be 10 kings or rulers of nations or peoples, 7 of which will willingly become vassals of the one who arises among them. Josephus wrote that because it was general knowledge among the Romans he'd been a rebel leader, & he wanted to give them a "rational" explanation that powers beyond his control had caused him to become a rebel.


    Your "alternate position" is simply wrong. Paul refers to "the MAN of sin", not men. The angel narrator of Rev says "the beast', not "beasts", and "he", not "they". And there's not yet been any beast/antichrist nor miracle-working false prophet, no worldwide great trib, no marka the beast, & certainly, no physical, visible return of Jesus. You prets simply cannot avoid those FACTS.
     
  10. Jerryhuerta

    Jerryhuerta Historicist Supporter

    463
    +92
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    The greatest evidence supports the seven churches as seven epochs between the antitypical spring and autumnal festivals.
     
  11. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
     
  12. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    The great trib will be WORLDWIDE. And its main events are written in Rev. 16.
    There have been many disasters moch-worse than the siege of Jerusalem. The "black death" plague pandemic in Europe, the Yangtze River floods, the 2 World Wars & the events within them, the 1918 flu pandemic, all killed many more people than died in Jerusalem. remember, Jesus said that if the trib wasn't to be cut short, that NO FLESH (man or animal) would survive.
    And He also said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the trib, so if it was in 70 AD, He's long-overdue!

    Simple, obvious TRUTH-THE GREAT TRIB HASN'T YET OCCURRED!
     
  13. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    Jesus plainly said, in Matt. 24, that He'd return IN GREAT POWER & GLORY, & in rev. 1:7 that EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIMwhen He returns. Obviously, that hasn't happened yet.
    Now, Jesus is SPIRITUALLY among any gathering of 2 or more people in His name, as He said. But that's different from His physical, visible return, which will be the greatest, most-glorious event ever, since the world was made.
     
  14. robycop3

    robycop3 Newbie

    +449
    Baptist
    Married
    Oh, phooey! There have been types of all 7 of those churches ever since the original ones existed.
     
  15. DavidPT

    DavidPT Well-Known Member

    +1,473
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    Not that I'm disagreeing with you about anything here, at least not yet anyway, what do you take every eye to mean? Everyone that is alive at the time? Or everyone that is alive at the time and everyone that is dead at the time?
     
  16. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

    +394
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    Jesus also said, "let the dead bury the dead". This flesh of Adam cannot enter Paradise. It is dead. Even those in the OT could not enter Paradise until the Cross. Although there were a few exceptions. God could have given all the OT believers new bodies and let them into Paradise, yet it seems they had to wait for the physical appearance of God Himself on earth.

    I do not have a problem with a bodily resurrection. Paul clearly taught two different types of bodies. 2 Corinthians 5:1

    "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

    This body is corruption. The eternal body is incorruption.

    The second death is that of the spirit. It is complete separation from God.
     
  17. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

    +394
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    The dead are in sheol. The living are in Paradise. Which were you referring to?
     
  18. DavidPT

    DavidPT Well-Known Member

    +1,473
    United States
    Christian
    Married

    What few exceptions were those, in light of what Jesus said per the following?

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
     
  19. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

    +394
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    There is no rule that all have to die once. All are already dead. In Adam all are born dead.

    It is an appointment, that all dead will face the judgment. No human will physically die twice. Why is that part of the appointment not emphasized? If it is a rule that all must die once, then no one can die twice. Many make exceptions to their own rule, that Lazarus had to die twice. No consistency, just a point to argue over.

    That "once to die" part is the legacy of Adam. It is not about the soul leaving the body. The judgment does take place after the soul leaves the body. That judgment for most is the GWT.
     
  20. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

    +394
    United States
    Baptist
    Married
    Josephus never even read Revelation. He could not be an eye witness to what is written in the letter. Josephus never claimed that Jesus Christ and the angels were there ministering to those in Jerusalem while the Romans were slaughtering many.

    You are taking Josephus to prove Revelation was about 70AD, and then have to incorporate the OD because it describes the book of Revelation.

    The only corroboration of Josephus on any Scripture is that in 66AD, many fled Jerusalem when they saw the approaching Roman army. That was not 70AD.

    Does anyone accept that Christ is coming to earth again, and bringing the angels with Him just as He promised? Until that happens, there can be no Second Coming event, period.
     
Loading...