Out of curiousity, how does preterism jive with the Nicene Creed. "He [Jesus] will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead?" I know next to nothing about it and am curious.
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Originally posted by BULWARK
Hi Dave,
I`m the convincer not the convincee look at my questions and see dave who the convincer or the convincee is. j/k
BULWARK
Another question???
How come the likes of timothy and clement didn`t testify of Jesus return or them being with him, were he is???
Jesus said," I shall return and were I am you shall be also".
How come all the saints didn`t go with Jesus or even preach that he had returned?? How come Tim and clement didn`t preach that Jesus had returned???
Originally posted by isshinwhat
Out of curiousity, how does preterism jive with the Nicene Creed. "He [Jesus] will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead?" I know next to nothing about it and am curious.
Neal
Hi Neal, Preterists do not believe the creeds are infallible, we do believe scripture is however.
Originally posted by BULWARK
Hi guys,
Man AD70,
I personally cant see Nero in that equation at all.
What were the lying signs and wonders that Nero did and how did Jesus remove Nero with the brightness of his coming??
BULWARK
I have my email listed and would be willing to discuss that way. Right now I'm very busy with work and may not have much time here to do the boards. Sorry, but feel free to email me if you'd like.
(1) When reading the N.T. always remembers who is speaking and who is the audience of the letter. It is a fact that when we read the N.T. we are eavesdropping. Not a single line of the N.T. was written to you or me -- the N.T. letters are the correspondences between 1st century New Covenant citizens. For example, the "YOU" Jesus addresses all through Matthew 24 is not you and I. It is his living breathing apostles sitting right there with him.
(2) When you wonder how Preterists conceive of the return of Christ, remember that the PRIMARY concept is that of "The Day of the Lord." If you grasp what "The Day of the Lord" was in O.T. times (and the many instances it occurred against various nations and Israel) then you will easily grasp how Preterists say it happened in 66-70AD. The Roman-Jewish conquest was the Day of the Lord, and without question the greatest Day of the Lord in history.
One thing we DO have in scripture is abundant evidence that they then were expecting Christs SOON return -and I wander how it might be that you maybe can't [or can you?] see this clearly revealed truth, as this I know has been addressed a number of times.
I have no idea about Clement, but it is an assumption that Timothy or any other disciples who may have lived through the tribulation "didn't" bring this fulfilled message -JUST because we today don't have any manuscripts or the like to refer back to. Books or scrolls etc were not the common every day thing for the masses as we have it today.
No worries mate I was just wandering with all the questions you've already asked -and the very good answers [IMO] that you've been getting, where you're struggling with [as you say] "submitting to identified truth."
from GW,
The early apostles knew and taught that the end times apostasy was a PREDESTINED falling away to perdition (total ruin and destruction) that was to happen in their generation. Jude points out in Jude 1:4 that it was occurring as was predestined -- Paul had taught that this was a key sign to look for in their near future (2 Thess 2:3 and Acts 20:28-31).
I see what your saying about a falling away into apostasy but if this is true (as I think you are right there) then it appears this man of sin is reviled after the falling away.
Hi Bulwark. Let me ask you a question then? Who do you believe was the man of sin who was to sit in the temple of God? Remember the temple was destroyed in AD 70 so the man of sin had to have been revealed before then.
I did think of Jerusalem in 70AD concerning this a long time a go but it was that scripture that made me think that it couldnt be sinse Jerusalem had risen and fallen a dozen times since 70 ad, maybe with not as much damage or it not being the jewish state but if you compare what Rome could do then and what we could do now with the weaponry we have, it is hard to believe that Israel wont see a far worse war than 70 ad and if we were to compare that scripture to say, what happened in Japan in the 2nd world war, Jerusalem in 70 ad is simple Childs play in comparison.
Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the favorable year of the LORD AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD;
--COMPARE TO--
Luke 21:20-22
"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; BECAUSE THESE ARE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE so that all things which are written will be fulfilled
Originally posted by BULWARK
Heya davo,
Ya make it sound like we have discussed this subject at length mate.
I havent really had one question answered in a way that I could understand it. GW has given me some links that I got to get on to but other than that, I havent had any thing answered at all mate??
... this hasnt been addressed with me in any detail at all mate???
Originally posted by davo
I have no idea about Clement, but it is an assumption that Timothy or any other disciples who may have lived through the tribulation "didn't" bring this fulfilled message -JUST because we today don't have any manuscripts or the like to refer back to. Books or scrolls etc were not the common every day thing for the masses as we have it today.
Originally posted by BULWARK
Are you fairdinkum mate, what sought of answer is this davo??? How is this supposed to convince me of anything
That is so far from an educated answer mate. Ya got me wondering if you could answer my questions anyway.
Originally posted by BULWARK
Anyway davo, I recon I am easily teachable, if you can cope with my kinds of questions.
For example;
Why dont you get that timothy and clement question and check it out and see if you can give me an accurate explanation instead of a rough guess .
Originally posted by BULWARK
Another question???
How come the likes of timothy and clement didn`t testify of Jesus return or them being with him, were he is???
Originally posted by BULWARK
My point is that both these men new the apostles personally, they were alive in 70 ad and they were both leaders of the church in the first century after 70 ad.
So you would think that they would have taught that Jesus had returned, not that he was still to return.
Originally posted by BULWARK
Hey manifestation, I just loved your reply LMAO
What is this thread called??? BULWARKS doctrines
Answer at least one of my questions to my satisfaction manifestation and I will be more than happy to answer your questions but I did actually come hear to see what you believe not tell you what I believe???
Peace
BULWARK
Ps LMAO .
Originally posted by BULWARK
Wow
I got that little revelation light flashing at a million miles an hour
I see, I see.
Thanks so much acts and GW, I understood every single thing you both said. Thank you.
I cant quote what spoke to me the most because it all spoke to me together as one.
I am not saying that I fully believe it but at least now I can see allot better and I need to study the things you two are saying because I can totally relate to what your saying.
Give me some time hear on these things because I will be back once I have re-read with a better understanding.
I have considered these things but you now how it is, you just cant talk about it because others think it to be heresies so I just put it aside.
The thing that makes this easy to understand is that I believe that it is most likely that all these judgments placed in prophesy were for Israel and the great and terrible day of the lord was for them.
I have often wondered "did peter misquote Joel to say that was the end time, obviously not. He was talking about there time wasnt he?
Wow.
Let me meditate on these things and read a bit more and I will come back with a better understanding of things
Thanks guys
BULWARK
wow you guys hit those bible symbols so obviously.