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It's really instructive to read the first part of that article closely. Note--
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President Trump on Thursday signed legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

The legislation is the second Trump has signed into law ending an Obama-era environmental regulation.
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First, it is legislation, passed by Congress, not a rule hurried into place after the election of 2016. We should applaud that.

And if we are interested in who is benefitted by such a change, it would be thousands of workers, union members, in what is one of the poorest states in the Union--in other words, exactly the kind of people the Democrats want everyone to think their party is unique in looking out for.
 
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It's really instructive to read the first part of that article closely. Note--
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President Trump on Thursday signed legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

The legislation is the second Trump has signed into law ending an Obama-era environmental regulation.
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And if we are interested in who is benefitted by such a change, it would be thousands of workers, union members, in what is one of the poorest states in the Union--in other words, exactly the kind of people the Democrats want everyone to think their party is unique in looking out for.
I’ve lived in coal country and coal isn’t coming back any more than steam-powered river boats.
 
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In the long run that's true, but we could say the same thing about plenty of other policies the government maintains for the benefit of its citizens.
Job wise the losses are gone Now. Period. Trump or no Trump. Did you read the story I linked?
 
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Job wise the losses are gone Now. Period. Trump or no Trump. Did you read the story I linked?
Well and coal should go away. First miners have usually short lives because of both the danger AND the enviomental side, but also coal is going to run out anyway, and so at some point enveinmental issue or not health issues or not those jobs will disappear.
 
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Well and coal should go away. First miners have usually short lives because of both the danger AND the enviomental side, but also coal is going to run out anyway, and so at some point enveinmental issue or not health issues or not those jobs will disappear.
When that happens, we'll take stock of the situation and decide what to do. :)
 
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mark46 said:
Please list ANY changes that are effective now. Then, we might comment on who benefited.

Trump rearranges domestic energy and environmental priorities. He opens up federal lands to oil and gas drilling and coal mining. He eliminates regulations he calls needless. He scraps proposed regulations for tighter methane controls on domestic drillers. And he shrinks the role of the Environmental Protection Agency to a mostly advisory one and pulls back the Clean Power Plan, Obama’s plan to push utilities toward lower carbon emissions. Trump has chosen many lobbyists for fossil fuel companies and skeptics about climate science.

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FredVB said:
The point is still that it can be seen Donald Trump's approval rating is low, the polls show it, and none were as high as you were claiming that it actually was. And it is a claim that a poll is bad without it shown that such particular poll actually is.
Its been a while since you wrote the above, but generalizations like that or the more recent claims about people being benefitted by unnamed changes do make any discussion difficult to sustain, as Mark indicated.

Any of those things can be backed up, that you are prone to reject and dismiss what you disagree with does not change any of that. And it was the case that you claimed it higher than it was shown to be, and claimed without it shown that a poll was bad. I did not make any claim of who benefitted, I asked about it, please read what I write more carefully. If I leave anything unnamed it does not matter, there are public records and readily available information showing it, whether you like it or not.
 
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also coal is going to run out anyway,
That is what they said about natural gas. Now it turns out that there is an abundance of natural gas. All that we could ever want or need. They converted coal furnace to gas a long time ago. I have not had to shovel coal into a furnace for almost 50 years now. It was a nice business at one time. My great grandfather use to have a six team horse to deliver coal to the people houses.
 
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How much support does Trump have with the families being divided at the border?

Families? You mean the "coyotes" that have been paid to brings others children here, and on the way these children get raped, abused, and used, channeled into child sex trafficking etc., and the little girls are given pills to deal with any pregnancies?

Do you know what "coyotes" are?

You mean "illegal trespassers", Fred?
 
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How much support does Trump have with the families being divided at the border?
Trump fans say 1) it didn't happen, 2) Obama did it, 3) they deserve it, 4) :mad: Hillary! :mad: (emails, Benghazi, she lost!!!!, lock her up, she colluded), 5) big deal - he's reuniting them now, the ones who deserve to be reunited and 6) build the wall!
Donald foes say 1) it's cruel and inhumane.
 
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I guess tax incentives for the buggy whip industry is next.

It's really instructive to read the first part of that article closely. Note--
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President Trump on Thursday signed legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

The legislation is the second Trump has signed into law ending an Obama-era environmental regulation.
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First, it is legislation, passed by Congress, not a rule hurried into place after the election of 2016. We should applaud that.

And if we are interested in who is benefitted by such a change, it would be thousands of workers, union members, in what is one of the poorest states in the Union--in other words, exactly the kind of people the Democrats want everyone to think their party is unique in looking out for.
 
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Even with all that government has done to suppress coal mining, coal still accounts for over 30% of American electricity production. Only natural gas exceeds it--but barely. No other energy source even comes close.

This isn't analogous to the buggy whip industry; not by a longshot!
 
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There is ZERO reason to promote the additional production of coal.

Even with all that government has done to suppress coal mining, coal still accounts for over 30% of American electricity production. Only natural gas exceeds it--but barely. No other energy source even comes close.

This isn't analogous to the buggy whip industry; not by a longshot!
 
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There is ZERO reason to promote the additional production of coal.
Turn the issue around like that, and you may be right. But the issue is not about promoting coal; it is about dramatically reducing its availability in the short run.
 
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FredVB said:
How much support does Trump have with the families being divided at the border?

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Families? You mean the "coyotes" that have been paid to brings others children here, and on the way these children get raped, abused, and used, channeled into child sex trafficking etc., and the little girls are given pills to deal with any pregnancies?

Do you know what "coyotes" are?

You mean "illegal trespassers", Fred?

Do you think this is generally how immigrants came to this country? Are these things the general case of immigrants, are there no families with children who get taken from them at the border now, or that this is justified by other immigration issues? Do you know that it was the USA that produced this immigration occurrence, that it continued up to now?

Due to the labor conditions improving, a policy was implemented by the U.S., which enabled the workers to go back to their home towns and their word of mouth spread about job opportunities in the U.S. This system was known as enganche (the hooking). (Wikipedia)
 
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DaisyDay said:
Trump fans say 1) it didn't happen, 2) Obama did it, 3) they deserve it, 4) :mad: Hillary! :mad: (emails, Benghazi, she lost!!!!, lock her up, she colluded), 5) big deal - he's reuniting them now, the ones who deserve to be reunited and 6) build the wall!
Donald foes say 1) it's cruel and inhumane.

Not all conservative Christians are this way, but I saw that there were such Christians starting to ask each other about if they would vote for Trump, instead of talking of Christian subjects and values, at the time of the election, and discussion among such Christians is more political since then. But this may be with ideas that some president would always be good for America from God providing according to God's will. It avoids that we are responsible for our part in having leaders represent us. Christianity isn't having good representation the way it is.
 
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Not all conservative Christians are this way, but I saw that there were such Christians starting to ask each other about if they would vote for Trump, instead of talking of Christian subjects and values, at the time of the election, and discussion among such Christians is more political since then. But this may be with ideas that some president would always be good for America from God providing according to God's will. It avoids that we are responsible for our part in having leaders represent us. Christianity isn't having good representation the way it is.

I always believed Christian values should never determine who makes the best POTUS. Our nation is only ruled by imperfect people and documents. Obviously the First Amendment of the Constitution prevents all laws, executive orders, and court rulings from being based on the Bible. If you want to live in a theocracy move to one. If you want religious freedom stay here and do not complain about Biblical values not being the basis of what defines a good president. God gave us free will so voters can only blame themselves for electing a man who is evil, nasty, and deplorable - everything he called Hillary Clinton. There is no reason God would have appointed him instead of a good man who just happens to be a Republican.
 
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