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Umm there you go again... illogical spam.
Baseless assertion (strawman) fallacy.
Primary historical source of anyone who ever said that and saying that it is not your first rodeo is not very useful.... so source please.
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure
The price of preacher notes here - God’s Will and Man’s Will by C. H. Spurgeon
snip... But we do hold and teach that though the will of man is not ignored, and men are not saved against their wills, that the work of the Spirit, which is the effect of the will of God, is to change the human will, and so make men willing in the day of God's power, working in them to will to do of his own good pleasure. The work of the Spirit is consistent with the original laws and constitution of human nature. Ignorant men talk grossly and carnally about the work of the Spirit in the heart as if the heart were a lump of flesh, and the Holy Spirit turned it round mechanically. Now, brethren, how is your heart and my heart changed in any matter? Why, the instrument generally is persuasion. A friend sets before us a truth we did not know before; pleads with us; puts it in a new light, and then we say, "Now I see that," and then our hearts are changed towards the thing. Now, although no man's heart is changed by moral suasion in itself, yet the way in which the Spirit works in his heart, as far as we can detect it, is instrumentally by a blessed persuasion of the mind. I say not that men are saved by moral suasion, or that this is the first cause, but I think it is frequently the visible means. As to the secret work, who knows how the Spirit works?
In Him,
Bill;
When I refer to Calvinism, I always generally refer to High Calvinism (Which I believe is it's purest form originating from Calvin himself).
As for Calvinism refering to being elected to reprobation:
Well, I am not wrong in saying that certain Calvinists believe in that.
John Calvin himself believed in it.
“Many professing a desire to defend the Deity from an individual charge admit the doctrine of election, but deny that any one is reprobated. This they do ignorantly and childishly, since there could be no election without its opposite, reprobation.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 1).
Also, see my post #79 for a further explanation.
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