Predestination, All Things are Determined by God, Even the Outcome of a Roll of a Dice

[Honoluluwindow]

Are they contradictory?

Putting me in check..ok I'll play. It's an antinomy isn't it.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Putting me in check..ok I'll play. It's an antinomy isn't it.

I'm not interested in playing games—just asking a question, friend. I simply want to know if you think they are contradictory.

 

[Honoluluwindow]

I'm not interested in playing games—just asking a question, friend. I simply want to know if you think they are contradictory.

I answered you.

 

[Honoluluwindow]

Here's the antinomy, God saves man without anything man does except having faith.

 

[TaylorSexton]

I answered you.

No, you asked a question (although you didn't use a question mark).

Here's the antinomy, God saves man without anything man does except having faith.

How is that an antimony?

 

[Honoluluwindow]

No, you asked a question (although you didn't use a question mark).



How is that an antimony?

if faith is required then that is a condition.

 

[Honoluluwindow]

Going to football practice here shortly but would like to understand these things in a deeper way. Thanks for putting up with the sarcasm

 

[TaylorSexton]

if faith is required then that is a condition.

I agree with that. Faith is most certainly a condition that needs to be met in order to be saved. What's the issue?

 

[TaylorSexton]

Going to football practice here shortly but would like to understand these things in a deeper way. Thanks for putting up with the sarcasm

It's no problem, friend. I am sorry I responded with more strength than usual; I just do not respond well to sarcasm in conversations like these. I hope we can continue the conversation later; I truly believe it is valuable and edifying.

God's blessings to you, my friend.

 

[RDKirk]

Exactly my point. God can't do it again because He said He wouldn't do it again with a flood. Does God have the power to flood the earth again? Of course He can. But He placed a self imposed limitation upon His divine sovereignty and thus He cannot destroy the earth again with a flood.

Making His own choice and then sticking to it is not a limitation of His sovereignty. Rather, because He cannot be forced into a reconsideration of His decision, He is emphasizing His authority.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Making His own choice and then sticking to it is not a limitation of His sovereignty. Rather, because He cannot be forced into a reconsideration of His decision, He is emphasizing His authority.

Very well-said.

 

[SkyWriting]

All things, whether good or evil, are determined by God to happen, hence,

But "Determined" is a limited human mental construct.

God knows every position of every election in all time
and knew all this before He formed the world.

 

[Albion]

But "Determined" is a limited human mental construct.

God knows every position of every election in all time
and knew all this before He formed the world.

Yes, God has foreknowledge, but that's not predestination which refers to him choosing his elect, and perhaps also the damned, before their births.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, God has foreknowledge, but that's not predestination which refers to him choosing his elect, and perhaps also the damned, before their births.

It is impossible to reconcile our limited understanding of time with the father.

 

[Albion]

It is impossible to reconcile our limited understanding of time with the father.

I suppose I'd agree with that, but it doesn't prevent us from believing that God sees the future as well as the past or all things at all times, if that's better.

 

[DingDing]

It is impossible to reconcile our limited understanding of time with the father.

So by this are you saying that we can no nothing, or that it would be a waste of time to try to understand anything?

 

[SkyWriting]

So by this are you saying that we can no nothing, or that it would be a waste of time to try to understand anything?

You can do nothing to surprise God, as it was His design.
Like I said, it's impossible for humans to conceive and
you are flummoxed.

 

[SkyWriting]

I suppose I'd agree with that, but it doesn't prevent us from believing that God sees the future as well as the past or all things at all times, if that's better.

Sure. The only problem is that we RESPOND with....then why did (yammer yammer) happen to me?

(Becasue you deserve sleep-number cloud to float on for the duration of your lifetime.)

 

[Albion]

Sure. The only problem is that we RESPOND with....then why did (yammer yammer) happen to me?

They say that because they expected or hoped that God would spare them whatever setback it was, right? That doesn't seem to me to be at odds with believing in God's omniscience or foreknowledge.

 

[DingDing]

So by this are you saying that we can no nothing, or that it would be a waste of time to try to understand anything?

You can do nothing to surprise God, as it was His design.
Like I said, it's impossible for humans to conceive and
you are flummoxed.

So are you saying that our efforts are irrelevant, and that God takes no note of them, nor do they have any intrinsic value?