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Featured Praying to Saints? - Praying to those who are already in Heaven?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Korean-American Christian, Aug 7, 2017.

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  1. Korean-American Christian

    Korean-American Christian raised Presbyterian. member of the Nazarene Church

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    No offense intended
     
  2. Root of Jesse

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    Totally incorrect, brother. Revelation tells us (Ch 5 vs 6-8) 'that seemed to have been slain. He had seven horns and seven eyes; these are the [seven] spirits of God sent out into the whole world.He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne.When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
    Rev 8:4, as well.
    So there are the saints in heaven with prayers from the holy on Earth.
     
  3. Korean-American Christian

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    My dear brother Seth, while it is true that we ask other Christians to pray for us....why would we need to ask people who are already in Heaven to pray for us/intercede on our behalf when we as individuals can pray directly to God our Father?
     
  4. Root of Jesse

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    It' all over the 72 books, though. Psalms 141:2, for example, shows the prayers as incense, and Revelation several places shows that the saints in heaven take that prayer-as-incense-to God.
     
  5. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter CF Ambassadors

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    What kind of clothes we are to wear isn't anywhere in the Bible either. What does that mean-that we should not wear clothes?
     
  6. Korean-American Christian

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    My dear brother, the incense of Revelation that you mention and praying to people who are already in Heaven are two completely different things.

    Apples and oranges, if you will.....
     
  7. sethrak

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    I pray directly to our God in the Name of The Father and of The Son and of the Holy Spirit. I still at times ask someone I respect who loves Our God for prayer. If there is power in prayer a battery of prayer will be noticed and answered.

    I at this time am bothering, even pestering Our Lord with~well with important to me and mine things and have asked someone who I know and love to also.

    Yet~you are right we can go to our God in person~still
     
  8. Root of Jesse

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    No, WORSHIP is something to be restricted to God alone. Prayer means to ask for something, as in an English court-I pray thee, your honor, to grant my request.
     
  9. Korean-American Christian

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    My dear brother, MY Holy Bible has 66 books of Holy Scripture.

    May our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always
     
  10. Friend-of-Jesus

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    Wrong. The Bible has everything one needs to know to understand that heroin is bad. All truth is in the Bible and nowhere else. Those who keep parts of corpses of "saints" and kiss them and pray to them, clearly worship them in the most direct sense of the word. Pagan idolatry.

    Only God is worthy of worship and veneration and prayer. Nobody else.
     
  11. Korean-American Christian

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    My dear brother, thank you for that clarification.

    I stand corrected
     
  12. Root of Jesse

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    For the same reason we ask our brothers and sisters on earth to pray for us. Because it's good to pray for others. Can we really do anything for the one requesting the prayer?
    I have prostate cancer, and I know that people pray for me. Can they do anything for me, but pray? But it is good for someone to show care for someone other than yourself. So praying for someone is a good thing, but God alone can do anything.
     
  13. Root of Jesse

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    Not really, if you believe that those in heaven (which are the holy of God) are alive...
     
  14. Korean-American Christian

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    I completely agree....the Bible shows us that substance abuse is bad for the body
     
  15. Root of Jesse

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    To the bolded, we believe there is power in association, and something that literally touched someone we consider holy is powerful. Venerating them (which is different from the worship due to God) is something else. Also, nowhere are we required to do something like that. We are required to worship God.
     
  16. Root of Jesse

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    But heroin, properly used, does have a medical good benefit for some instances. Abuse of such a thing is different.
     
  17. Korean-American Christian

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    I was not aware of the medicinal benefits of heroin
     
  18. Friend-of-Jesus

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    To venerate is to worship. If a murderer says, I don't murder I simply take lives, it doesn't change the action and the results the least bit...
     
  19. faroukfarouk

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    Hebrews 7.25 is a great verse! all about the sufficiency of Christ and His Cross!
     
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    LOL OK
     
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