1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Private Member only forums for more serious discussions that you may wish to not have guests or search engines access to.
    • Your very own blog. Write about anything you like on your own individual blog.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. We are holding our 2022 Angel Ministry Drive now. Please consider signing up, or if you have any questions about being an Angel, use our staff application form. The world needs more prayer now, and it is a great way to help other members of the forums. :) To Apply...click here

pray to mary? Confess sins to man?

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by bigonbible, Dec 5, 2002.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    It depends on how you use that term :)

    the word 'pray' in English literally means 'to beg'.  But if you're referring to 'pray' as in a sort of worship, that's a bit different.

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  2. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Sandy that makes sense! i always heard Catholics pray to the dead but they are praying to the saints. Ok! am I getting more confused? Do you pray to or for the saints?
     
  3. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

    +983
    United States
    Catholic
    Married
    Your confusion seems to be coming from the word 'pray'. All 'pray' means is 'ask'. It does not necessarily denote worship. We ask the Saints to interceed for us with God. I've already shown you the Scriptures that support this.
     
  4. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Jason, I believe praying is a form of worship
     
  5. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Yes, that's right.

    That's what I'm referring to.  Basically, here's how it works.  I go to you and say, "Hey can you pray for me?"  So then you would go to God and say, "Lord I ask whatever whatever whatever".  That's exactly what goes on in heaven.

    I think you're confused with how those in heaven can actually hear us.  This I don't know.  The bible doesn't leave much open about how those in heaven can hear us.  I just trust that they do.  Just because something isn't in the bible doesn't make it true.  And if you're saying that it's a silly tradition, I can assure this tradition is the same tradition that put our bible together :)

    Scary thought isn't it? =)

    -Jason
     
  6. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Sandy , I can't get back to the post with the scriptures . Give me scripture again please
     
  7. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

    +983
    United States
    Catholic
    Married

    Yes! :) Many people do, and that is where all the confusion comes in. Praying *can* be a form of worship, but it is can also be just communing or speaking to someone else. And this does not apply to 'necromancy' because the Promise of Christ. The dead in Christ are not dead! :clap:
    They are living, eternally, with Him in Heaven.
     
  8. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Here's how I understand all this:  Technically you can have a massive prayer meeting with the brethren in heaven, since we're among them (Heb 12:1, Heb 12:22-23).

    here's another thought:

    We can 'pray to Jesus' (like Stephen, in Acts 7:59), and ask Jesus to ask our brothers in heaven to join in on the massive prayer meeting, since Jesus did say, "Ask anything in my name and I will do it" (John 14:14).

    So then Jesus and our heavenly brethren can join in our prayers (this is what communion of the saints is about).

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  9. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Sandy , Scriptures plese
     
  10. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

    +983
    United States
    Catholic
    Married
    Just go to the top or bottom of this page and click where it says "Pages...1,2,3". Only you just want to click on the '1'. ;) Then scroll down to my post. You can't miss it.
     
  11. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

    +983
    United States
    Catholic
    Married
    I gotta go. Ya'll carry on and I'll be back tomorrow sometime. :wave:

    The Peace of Christ be with you all.
     
  12. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Acts 7:59 - While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (NIV)

    The Greek word 'pray' used in this is Lego, which means 'to say'.  While there's another word for 'pray' (gk. Proseuchomai), which refers to worshipful prayer.

    Maybe it's better to say Catholics talk to the saints, not 'pray to the saints' :)

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  13. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Jason Goood post #28 But how does heb 12: 1 back this up
     
  14. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    Jason, I want to teach Sunday school on these two subjects, Is there a summation I can use?
     
  15. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Jim,

    All of Hebrews 11 explains people of extraordinary faith, check it out!  It's really encouraing =)

    Anyway, immediately after all the mention of such incredible people, Heb 12:1 begings by saying:

    Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses... (Heb 12:1)

    Catholics understand this meaning that we are LITERALLY surrounded by all those wonderful people mentioned in Hebrews 11.  And Hebrews 12:22-24 seems to be in support of this.  But I can see how Hebrews 12:1 can be interpreted differently.

    Nevertheless, Hebrews 12:22-24 is very clear =)

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  16. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Jim,

    I don't know if that's exactly the best idea....are you a protestant?  I don't know if it's best to teach Catholic doctrine for Sunday School...but if you wish :)

    In anycase, one thing I find fascinating about Hebrews 12:1 and Hebrews 12:22-24 in light of Eph 3:15, is that we are NOT alone! :)

    Also, what do you mean by 'summation'?  Like some website that further explains all this?

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  17. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    true , I see what you mean. What about a good summation?
     
  18. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    yes , But not pages and pages
     
  19. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

    +54
    Catholic
    Also, the fact that we are not alone is significant for those who may feel they're left out. This is also helpful for those on the missionfield who may feel like they're doing everything on their own, while it's highly likely that those in heaven are praying that the lord's will is being done on earth (Matt 6:10). How can we be sure? Rev 5:8 heavily implies it :)

    God bless!

    -Jason
     
  20. bigonbible

    bigonbible New Member

    41
    +0
    You're talking about the Biblical hall of fame in Hebrews 12 , right?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...