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But I feel like knowing which one is actually correct is kind of impossible. I mean, the idea of Absolute Divine Simplicity are really just developments from Saint Augustine, whereas the Essence-Energies distinction are just developments of the Cappadocian Fathers. So who is right? A few Saints who lived really close together in one area around the same time, or one Saint who lived on a completely different continent?

I mean, the only reason why the Cappadocian Fathers are so influential in Orthodoxy is because they spoke the language that Greek people spoke, and the only reason why Saint Augustine was so influential was that he spoke the language the Roman people spoke. If they all spoke Greek or Latin, maybe we wouldn't have such a chasm in our understanding of God and even the Old Testament; if images of the Ancient of Days or God's Throne in Ezekiel are literally God Himself in His own nature, or if they are creations of God that allow God to be communicable to people.

So who knows.

actually, the essence-energies distinction is Scriptural if read in the Greek. plus, there are Fathers before the Cappadocians who speak about it.
 
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I feel like I’m kind of in a stage of confusion, primarily due to my endless grave sins which I feel like I cannot overcome, plus I feel lost even in what I should believe in.

There’s a part of me - perhaps out of selfishness - that wants to remain Catholic due to the fact that I have access to both the Traditional Roman Rite and the Byzantine Rites, and to rationalize the whole mess of Rome. I love the monarchical structure and the history of the Papacy, and I love the spiritualities of such Saints like Saint Bernard, Saint Dominic, Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Saint John Bosco, Saint Pio -

However, at the end of the day, when it comes to the rationalizations I employ, I ultimately realize that I’m using the Orthodox Church as the standard lens of what is correct and what isn’t, contorting and twisting the ambiguities of the Roman Catholic Church into a model that isn’t actually what it is. What it is is a Church which teaches religious indifferentism and teaches animosity to the Ornaments and Tradition of Roman Catholicism, with such things like the USCCB saying that the Old Covenant is still valid, and Pope Francis saying proselytism and Uniatism is evil.
I ultimately feel like if Rome is not the source of Orthodoxy, what’s the point in professing Rome as a source of Orthodoxy?

What has been really hard to accept is pretty much the logical impossibility of figuring out where the Church is and what the Church believes in.

But I mean, I feel like not only have I sinned greatly, in terms of the Early Papacy, I’m still kind of lost with what appears to be the very clear Papal claims from at least the 5th century onwards - probably even earlier with Saint Julius’s claims of being an appellate source of Orthodoxy to the Arians.

Not that being Roman will solve the problem visa vi the 5th Ecumenical Council which excommunicates the Pope, or the Council of Constance which states that the Popes are subject to Ecumenical Councils, not to mention the fact that the Patristic Church Fathers refute the keys casuistry of Matthew 16:18 - especially Saint Augustine.

What even about the Council of Chalcedon and the non-Chalcedonians? I don’t see anything wrong with Chalcedon as far as I can tell other than reuniting the persons of certain people who allegedly wrote heterodox things, but maybe Pope Leo was a Nestorian who tried to show Christ was two persons.

I feel like finding the True Church logically is just impossible to figure out with some level of certainty, especially with my passions ruining my soul.

So I just need prayers that whatever happens, God can bring me to Salvation and put me in the right Church. I need prayers to be a better person than I am. I need prayers to find peace.

If you want to God to bring you to Salvation, stop looking to the Roman Catholic church for answers. Look to Christ and what He said. Jesus said, He that loses his life (his will & desires) will find it. You don't need to be a better person to inherit salvation. We need to be like the dying thief that hung beside Jesus. He told the other criminal that their condemnation was just. That they deserved to die, but Jesus did not deserve it. Then he looked to Jesus and asked Him to remember him when He entered His Kingdom. Jesus essentially said, Yes, I will. Today you'll be with with me in Paradise
 
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If you want to God to bring you to Salvation, stop looking to the Roman Catholic church for answers. Look to Christ and what He said. Jesus said, He that loses his life (his will & desires) will find it. You don't need to be a better person to inherit salvation. We need to be like the dying thief that hung beside Jesus. He told the other criminal that their condemnation was just. That they deserved to die, but Jesus did not deserve it. Then he looked to Jesus and asked Him to remember him when He entered His Kingdom. Jesus essentially said, Yes, I will. Today you'll be with with me in Paradise
Hello and welcome to CF and to TAW. :)

Before we go down a rabbit trail I just want to say that I don't think you understand the question LC has been dealing with for some years now, and at any rate, I wouldn't want you to get in trouble if you post against the forum's Statement of Purpose. This is the Orthodox forum (we are not Roman Catholic). But in this forum, or any other congregational one (Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Pentecostal, Lutheran, etc.) visitors can post in fellowship. (We do have a debate forum to debate Orthodoxy though I don't think any of the others do.)

Just wanted to welcome you and head off misunderstandings. :)
 
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But why isn't the Church being so attacked to the extent Rome has been?

If I may, the Orthodox Church gets attacked everyday in the forums here just like Traditional Christians with evangelical heresies abounding.
 
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Hello and welcome to CF and to TAW. :)

Before we go down a rabbit trail I just want to say that I don't think you understand the question LC has been dealing with for some years now, and at any rate, I wouldn't want you to get in trouble if you post against the forum's Statement of Purpose. This is the Orthodox forum (we are not Roman Catholic). But in this forum, or any other congregational one (Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Pentecostal, Lutheran, etc.) visitors can post in fellowship. (We do have a debate forum to debate Orthodoxy though I don't think any of the others do.)

Just wanted to welcome you and head off misunderstandings. :)
I don't mind getting into trouble for speaking the truth. I was only trying to help.
 
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I don't mind getting into trouble for speaking the truth. I was only trying to help.
Yes, I understand you were trying to help. :)

And I don't want to see anyone get into trouble. :)
 
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