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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by dms1972, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. Sabertooth

    Sabertooth Repartee Animal: Quipping the Saints! Supporter

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    See John 16:13

    Without making a specific prediction, I have a blog post on this topic.
     
  2. dms1972

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    But you said yourself you thought there will be some clue in his initials?

    Have you changed your opinion on that, in the course of this thread?
     
  3. Sabertooth

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    I used the phrase "decoder ring" as a metaphor for John 16:13. I am not advocating for a physical decoder ring.
     
  4. dms1972

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    Yes I understood that.

    And Paul and the other Apostolic writers in their epistles seem to have been part of that ministry of the Holy Spirit spoken of John 16:13.
     
  5. Sabertooth

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    This is one of the dividing lines in Christianity. One's relationship to prophecy is vastly different when one subscribes to the idea that John 16:13 is promised to every born-again believer.
     
  6. dms1972

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    But you still think it will have something to do with a persons initials, its going to add up to something?Where does it indicate that in scripture. It says you will note , let him who hath wisdom calculate the number of the beast..., it does not say let him who has a vivid imagination come up with conspiracy theories.
     
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    If it has to do with allegiance, but only those with discernment will recognise the beast, then how can those who lack discerment give any knowing allegiance? If its based on a calculation then anyone with basic arithmetic with be able to "do the math", or anyone who is able to do a simple acrostic, but were is the wisdom in being able to do that?
     
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  8. Sabertooth

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    @dms1972 , Revelation 13:18 is clear that there will be a degree of obscurity in recognizing that stamp's numerality. (My Bible doesn't include an "edit" function...)
     
  9. dms1972

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    Sorry I don't know what your parenthical comment means.

    Sure its stated plainly it as six hundred and three score and six.

    The only obscurity is from those who confound the whole matter turning it into childish puzzles.

    The point is the meaning or significance of his number, not what adds up to it.

    :doh:

    It therefore takes maturity and a full study of the principles of the book of Revelation, rather than a pocket calculator
     
  10. Sabertooth

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    It means (according to Revelation 13:18) that only a limited subset of observers --him who has understanding-- will be able to detect the [600+60+6] aspect of the "number" of his name. It will go undetected by most people.

    Conventional Theology would make John 16:13 to be the model for that wisdom. If you don't like the John 16:13 rationale, it would be incumbent on you to provide another standard for said wisdom. Verse 18 precludes universal recognition. (I can't remove that caveat from mine or anyone else's Bible.)
     
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