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Post-tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Sojourner1, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 When something is "mind bottling" Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    The Antichrist is the same person as the false prophet/2nd beast of Rev 13.

    Then you are not post trib, you are mid trib and this thread is only for post trib believers.
     
  2. rjs330

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    Well I am not strict,mid trib as I have been taught. Mid trib generally believe in the 7 year tribulation and that the rapture occurs at the end of the first 3 1/2 years. I don't believe that. So I am more of a post trib than mid trib. But if I don't fit the criteria for you guys I'll leave.
     
  3. ewq1938

    ewq1938 When something is "mind bottling" Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    You said, "But it takes place sometime during or maybe towards the end of the tribulation."

    That is called mid-trib. It doesn't literally have to be the middle of the trib but any time during the trib is called mid trib. Post trib is solely that the rapture happens after the trib has ended. Promotion of your belief of the timing oif the rapture is not allowed in post trib because it's a different view. It's not to be mean, it just gives post trib a safe place to speak of the rapture without different opinions like yours. You should visit the mid trib safe house where your belief is the only one allowed there as the safe house for that belief. Pre-trib has one too.

    edit: apparently a mid-trib safe house hasn't been started yet. You can send a message to Sojourner1 to start one if you wish.
     
  4. rjs330

    rjs330 Well-Known Member

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    Ok I'll go there sorry to intrude.
     
  5. ewq1938

    ewq1938 When something is "mind bottling" Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    No problem but you can read here....perhaps you can take a second look at the idea of Christ returning and the rapture happening only once the trib is over?

    Consider this order of events:

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: (the second coming) and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

    A rapture before the second coming and before the resurrection is scripturally impossible and the second coming cannot happen until the tribulation has ended, Mat 24:29-30.

    Let's back up slightly to establish context:

    1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    Context is the second coming!

    1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    Context is the second coming!

    1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    This is the second coming!


    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    So, the proper order of events according to scripture:

    1. the second coming begins/Christ leaves heaven. (1Th 4:16) (this doesn't happen until the tribulation has ended, Mat_24:29)
    2. the resurrection. (dead saints resurrect bodily in heaven and follow Christ as he returns to the Earth-second coming) (1Th 4:14-16)
    3. the rapture. (living saints on Earth are gathered together from where ever they are on the Earth in order to meet Christ in the clouds when he arrives)(1Th 4:17)
    This proves the pre-trib (and mid-trib) rapture to be false because the second coming comes after the tribulation not before or during it, Mat 24:29-30


    A rapture before the tribulation is impossible according to Mat 24:29-30, and a rapture before the second coming is impossible according to 1Th 4:13-17.


    So, the proper order of events according to scripture including Mat_24:29:

    1. the great tribulation ends. (Mat_24:29)
    2. the second coming begins/Christ leaves heaven. (1Th 4:16, Mat_24:30)
    3. the resurrection. (dead saints resurrect bodily in heaven and follow Christ as he returns to the Earth-second coming) (1Th 4:14-16)
    4. the rapture. (living saints on Earth are gathered together from where ever they are on the Earth in order to meet Christ in the clouds when he arrives)(1Th 4:17)
     
  6. Endtime Survivors

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    I'm also in agreement with post trib. It makes sense that Christians will be called on to make a stand for their faith even in hard times.
     
  7. rjs330

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    You know it makes no sense to,me to think that Christians will not suffer in the end times. Christians all over the world are suffering now. And have suffered throughout history at various times. While God has spared his people at times he does not always do so. To think he will at the end doesn't really fit what the Bible says about the suffering of believers.

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  8. Echolipse

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    I cannot agree more. Just think of it this way too, we all know that the 12 disciples were tortured for their beliefs and all but one were martyred. Our Father doesn't just put something into His Word for no reason, so the fact that we know that all the disciples were tortured and suffered for Christ makes it illogical to think that today's Christians will not suffer for Christ. And if you think being yelled at and cursed at is "suffering" for Christ, you're woefully mistaken.
     
  9. Endtime Survivors

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    I see it as the same thing. The soul dying and separation from God. That is real hell (though I'm not saying there isn't a lake of fire thingy, too). Eating ice cream for eternity is hell if it's separate from God's will.
     
  10. ewq1938

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    I disagree. Separation is never called hell nor is it part of any passage dealing with hell or the LOF. The second death is to no longer exist. That's what hell/LOF accomplishes.
     
  11. Endtime Survivors

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    Yeah, except I don't need a scripture to tell me that separation from God is hell.
     
  12. ewq1938

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    Again, the belief is not scriptural. You simply believe it.
     
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  14. Endtime Survivors

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    Neither is "a belief can only be true/accurate if it is found in the Bible" scriptural.
     
  15. ewq1938

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    If you are going to make biblical definitions like "hell is separation from God" you have to have scriptural support or else it is fiction which means not true.
     
  16. Endtime Survivors

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    Ok, so will God be there in hell, too (whatever hell is)?
     
  17. ewq1938

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    The Lof is where the unsaved go. It's called the second death. All who go there will be destroyed. That is not the same as living separated from God.
     
  18. Endtime Survivors

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    Ok, so will God be there in hell, too (whatever hell is)?
    That doesn't look like an answer to the question I asked.
     
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  20. ewq1938

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    God is a consuming fire so I believe the LOF is the same thing.
     
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