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Post Millennialism safe house

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by JM, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. Hammster

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  3. JM

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    I recently had a back and forth with a Dispensationalist from church. We went back and forth for about 6 weeks and he accused me of using philosophy, allegorizing, spiritualizing, using tradition, etc. and would not admit that "this generation" actually took place to the generation that heard Christ speak. It was very frustrating to meet someone who a block head who could not admit this was a problem for the entire system of Dispensationalism.
     
  4. Hammster

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    “this generation” “soon” “near”

    These things mean something. But to the dispensationalists, they mean something entirely different.
     
  5. keras

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    To God, it could mean a thousand years.
    What Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34; was that the generation present, who sees the 'fig tree' budding, will see the end.

    The establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, was that 'budding'.
    I was born before 1948, and I expect to see Jesus Return.
    But what people deny, or seem unable to comprehend, is the dramatic events which must happen before that glorious Day.
     
  6. Hammster

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    This is for postmillennial only.
     
  7. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    I am 'post-Mill', as in: I believe that Jesus Returns and His Millennium reign follows.
     
  8. Hammster

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    That would be pre-mill.
     
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  9. JM

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    Haha, keras always jumps in.
     
  10. JM

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    Postmillennialism holds that the Lord Jesus Christ established his kingdom on earth through the preaching and redemptive work in the first century and that he equips his Church with the gospel, empowers her by the Spirit, and charges her with the Great Commission to disciple all nations. Postmillennialism expects that eventually the vast majority of men living will be saved. Increasing gospel success will gradually produce a time in history prior to Christ’s return in which faith, righteousness, peace, and prosperity will prevail in the affairs of men and nations. After an extensive era of such conditions the Lord will return visibly, bodily, and gloriously, to end history with the general resurrection and the final judgment after which the eternal order follows (Postmillennial Hope pp. 81-82 K. Gentry).
     
  11. JM

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    "Plain it is, there is not a more stupifying, benumbing thing in all the world than mere despair. To look upon such a sad face and aspect of things through the world as we have before our eyes; to look upon despairingly and with apprehension that it never will, never can be better. … But hope is a kind of anticipated enjoyment and gives a present participation in the expected pleasantness of those days, how long soever they may yet be off from us. … Religion shall not be an inglorious thing in the world always." John Howe, 1678, Sermons on The Prosperous State of the Christian Interest Before the End of Time

    "There will come a time when in this world holiness shall be more general, and more eminent, than ever it hath been since Adam fell in paradise." Thomas Brooks, 1608-1680, The Crown and Glory of Christianity, Complete Works Vol 4

    "Though our persons fall, our cause shall be as truly, certainly, and infallibly victorious, as that Christ sits at the right hand of God. The gospel shall be victorious. This greatly comforts and refreshes me." John Owen, 1616-1683, The Works of John Owen Volume 9

    "We also rejoice in hope. We have many and express assurances in the Scriptures, which cannot be broken, of the general, the universal spread and reign of Christianity, which are not yet accomplished. Nothing has yet taken place in the history of Divine grace, wide enough in extent, durable enough in continuance, powerful enough in energy, blessed enough in enjoyment, magnificent enough in glory, to do anything like justice to these predictions and promises. Better days, therefore, are before us, notwithstanding the forebodings of many." William Jay, 1769-1855, Nonconformist leader, The Autobiography and Reminiscences of the Rev. William Jay.

    "Micah proclaims how all the world will be brought to God at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. This reunification has already begun, is taking place now, and will continue until the end of the world. … Jesus Christ has been designated the Lord, not simply of one corner of the world, but of all nations. … Since our Lord Jesus Christ’s kingdom has hardly begun, it is necessary for it to be implemented little by little, until it achieves its full perfection." John Calvin, AD 1509-1564, Sermons on the Book of Micah

    Commenting on Psalm 2 regarding the Lord laughing at the nations (v.4): "It is to be understood of that power which he giveth to His saints, that they seeing the things to come, namely, that the Name and rule of Christ is to pervade posterity and possess all nations. … ‘Ask of Me’ (v.7), may be referred to all this temporal dispensation, which has been instituted for mankind, namely, that the ‘nations’ should be joined to the Name of Christ, and so be redeemed from death, and possessed by God. ‘I shall give Thee the nations for Thine inheritance,’ which so possess them for their salvation, and bear unto Thee spiritual fruit." Augustine, AD 354-430

    "It is right for you to realise, and to take as the sum of what we have already stated, and to marvel at exceedingly; namely, that since the Saviour has come among us, idolatry not only has no longer increased, but what there was is diminishing and gradually coming to an end: and not only does the wisdom of the Greeks no longer advance , but what there was is fading away. … And to sum the matter up: behold how the Saviour’s doctrine is everywhere increasing, while all idolatry and everything opposed to the faith of Christ is daily dwindling, and losing power, and falling. … For as, when the sun is come, darkness no longer prevails, but if any be still left anywhere it is driven away; so, now that the divine Appearing of the Word of God is come, the darkness of the idols prevails no more, and all parts of the world in every direction are illumined by His teaching." Athanasius, AD 296-372, Incarnation

    "David was not a believer in the theory that the world will grow worse and worse, and that the dispensation will wind up with general darkness, and idolatry. Earth’s sun is to go down amid tenfold night if some of our prophetic brethren are to be believed. Not so do we expect, but we look for the day when the dwellers in all lands shall learn righteousness, shall trust in the Saviour, shall worship thee alone, O God, ‘and shall glorify thy name.’ The modern notion has greatly damped the zeal of the church for missions, and the sooner it is shown to be unscriptural the better for the cause fo God. It neither consorts with prophecy, honours God, nor inspires the church with ardour. Far hence be it driven." C. H. Spurgeon, From an exposition of Psalm 86:9, ‘All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify they name’. The Treasury of David, 1874.

     
  12. JM

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    "The place to begin to evaluate the assertion that premillennialism was the only view of the early church would be to survey the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers, the writings of the early church prior to the drafting of the Nicene Creed in A.D. 325. The thing of it is, we don’t have all the writings or opinions of Christian pastors and/or writers of that era. There were no printing presses, recording devices, or retrievable blog posts. What we have available to us are copies of works that were written and have survived."

    Premillennialism and the Early Church • Gary DeMar
     
  13. JM

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  15. keras

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    Whatever.
    All of God's plans for our future are plainly stated in the Bible.
    Ideas like the Kingdom now, contradict scriptural truths. The world is Satan's playground now.
     
  16. Hammster

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    This thread is postmillennial only.
     
  17. JM

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    Dispey's are impossible.

    Hammy,

    Do you see a "future" for "Israel?"
     
  18. Hammster

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    Just the future shown in Romans 11.


    For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery⁠—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation⁠—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
    Romans 11:25

    As the leaven works it’s way through the dough (Matt 13), Israel will be included.
     
  19. Christian Gedge

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    The original Postmillers. ;)

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  20. JM

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    "Amil is the parking lot of eschatology..."

     
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