Post Millennialism safe house

[JM]

 

[JM]

If you haven't read it yet...it's about time.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mission-God-M...713&sprefix=postmillennialism,aps,159&sr=8-12

 

[Hammster]

If you haven't read it yet...it's about time.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mission-God-Manifesto-Hope-Society/dp/0957572565/ref=sr_1_12?crid=1YNVNS6ACGEF1&keywords=postmillennialism&qid=1654392713&sprefix=postmillennialism,aps,159&sr=8-12

It’s on my list. I have other books first. I’m bad at starting a book before finishing another.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

I am now officially postmill.

 

[Hammster]

He has remembered His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
— Psalm 105:8-9

A thousand generations is 40000 years.

 

[JM]

I am now officially postmill.

What was the deciding factor or was it a multiplicity of factors?

 

[Sovereign Grace]

What was the deciding factor or was it a multiplicity of factors?

Studying God's work alongside reading Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Jr. David Chilton, "On earth as it is in heaven" video, among other things. Revelation 19 was the icing on the cake. That is not a futuristic vision but was going on even at that time. Christ is not waiting until 2-3 millennia later to lead the "host of heaven', i.e. the church to victory. That was going on even in John's day and ongoing as I type this.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

He has remembered His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
— Psalm 105:8-9

A thousand generations is 40000 years.

The death blow to dispensationalism. They take the 1,000 in Revelation 20 as a literal 1,000 years(alongside Historic Premillennialism). Yet, they do a complete 180 and say that the thousand generations is not to be taken literally. Talking about a faulty hermeneutic. But that is dispensationalism in a nutshell.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

If you haven't read it yet...it's about time.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mission-God-Manifesto-Hope-Society/dp/0957572565/ref=sr_1_12?crid=1YNVNS6ACGEF1&keywords=postmillennialism&qid=1654392713&sprefix=postmillennialism,aps,159&sr=8-12

I have that on my shelf right now. I want to study paedobaptism as I am seeing some things I am already in agreement with.

 

[JM]

I have that on my shelf right now. I want to study paedobaptism as I am seeing some things I am already in agreement with.

For me to accept infant sprinkling I would need to accept it as a sacrament, as the means that causes regeneration, but I cannot accept the current Reformed view.

Lutheranism or orthodox Anglicanism are at least consistent in their theology.

 

[Hammster]

For me to accept infant sprinkling I would need to accept it as a sacrament, as the means that causes regeneration, but I cannot accept the current Reformed view.

Lutheranism or orthodox Anglicanism are at least consistent in their theology.

Love your avatar.

 

[Hammster]

Right now the most frustrating thing I’m dealing with in the Eschatology forum is dealing with those who think there are two gospels, and the ones who think that Jesus isn’t king now because “just look at the world”. I post scripture to show it, and it’s ignored because of news stories.

 

[JM]

Right now the most frustrating thing I’m dealing with in the Eschatology forum is dealing with those who think there are two gospels, and the ones who think that Jesus isn’t king now because “just look at the world”. I post scripture to show it, and it’s ignored because of news stories.

Myopic faith.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

For me to accept infant sprinkling I would need to accept it as a sacrament, as the means that causes regeneration, but I cannot accept the current Reformed view.

Lutheranism or orthodox Anglicanism are at least consistent in their theology.

I'm still learning the Presbyterian view of paedobaptism, but AFAIK, they do not see any salvific properties in the baptism, whether it be via immersion, pouring(oddly, Amish do this as the one being poured over with water gets on their knees and they pour water over them, I think while they're in a tub), or sprinkling.

 

[JM]

I'm still learning the Presbyterian view of paedobaptism, but AFAIK, they do not see any salvific properties in the baptism, whether it be via immersion, pouring(oddly, Amish do this as the one being poured over with water gets on their knees and they pour water over them, I think while they're in a tub), or sprinkling.

If paedobaptism is not commanded and not salvific why do it? I would agree that tradition teaches infant baptism as a means of regeneration making the Reformed view odd.

 

[Sovereign Grace]

If paedobaptism is not commanded and not salvific why do it? I would agree that tradition teaches infant baptism as a means of regeneration making the Reformed view odd.

I think Acts 2:38-39 speaks to it. When you see how Presbyterian Covenant Theology links the OT to the NT, it becomes clearer. I am almost there, just not there yet. It’s really close, just need some more studying.

 

[JM]

I think Acts 2:38-39 speaks to it. When you see how Presbyterian Covenant Theology links the OT to the NT, it becomes clearer. I am almost there, just not there yet. It’s really close, just need some more studying.

I am familiar with Presbyterian covenantalism and the arguments for paedobaptism I just don't agree with a non regenerating baptism. Acts 2 speaks to who? Paedobaptists miss the qualifier "...to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." The promise is to all the Lord God calls not paternal relationship.

One last question and I'll leave it alone, I have detailed the thread long enough...

If a couple comes to faith in their fifties and they have a child that is 25 would you baptize that 25 year old adult child?

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[Sovereign Grace]

I am familiar with Presbyterian covenantalism and the arguments for paedobaptism I just don't agree with a non regenerating baptism. Acts 2 speaks to who? Paedobaptists miss the qualifier "...to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." The promise is to all the Lord God calls not paternal relationship.

One last question and I'll leave it alone, I have detailed the thread long enough...

If a couple comes to faith in their fifties and they have a child that is 25 would you baptize that 25 year old adult child?

Yours in the Lord,

jm

I would say no, but I’m just learning all of this and I can’t give a more definitive answer at this time. Maybe you can ask someone who has been a Presbyterian for a longer period of time.

ETA: The reason I say no is because circumcision took place in infancy at eight days old. So that’s why I say no, but again, I need to study this more before I can give a defense for it.

 

[JM]

Jesus is winning trust in Him.

 

[Hammster]

It is the Lord your God who will cross ahead of you; He will destroy these nations before you, and you shall dispossess them. Joshua is the one who will cross ahead of you, just as the Lord has spoken.
— Deuteronomy 31:3

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