Post flood questions

[mushy366]

Av, what you dont get is, just because it says something in the bible does not make it true. Your whole faith is ignore science because it does not agree with the bible, so, when the bible says something that makes no sense and you have to come up with answers that are really stupid, then that should set alarm bells ringing.

 

[Greg1234]

Av, what you dont get is, just because it says something in the bible does not make it true. Your whole faith is ignore science because it does not agree with the bible, so, when the bible says something that makes no sense and you have to come up with answers that are really stupid, then that should set alarm bells ringing.

The data within physical cience is actually used to challenge the microbe-to-man assertion. And on par with a creation, texts aren't analyzed based on ignorant beastmen, but a higher intelligence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Av, what you dont get is, just because it says something in the bible does not make it true.

And yet Jesus prayed:

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

You're right that, just because it says it in the Bible, that doesn't mean it's true; after all, the Bible does record some people stating lies -- like Satan.

Your whole faith is ignore science because it does not agree with the bible...

Wrong -- you don't know me, and that's a brash statement, especially coming from a newbie.

A better way to word that is: Your whole faith is, ignore science when it does not agree with the Bible.

I have a set of Boolean standards that I used to keep both Science and Scripture in harmony with each other.

... so, when the bible says something that makes no sense and you have to come up with answers that are really stupid, then that should set alarm bells ringing.

I don't believe my answers to be 'really stupid' -- you do.

I believe my answers to be 'educated guesses'; and if anyone can come up with better answers -- good for them.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Yes, the water level of floods can vary. And yes the salinity of the bodies of water can also vary ( Salinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). There is also the ripple effect from the area of concentration, etc.

That's the laziest answer I've ever seen to this question. Microorganisms live in very specific niches, and not all of the ones we see today would have survived in a radially different aqueous environment unless God specifically altered the salinity around each species and serotype to allow them to survive. There is no possible way that all of these infectious agents would have survived the catastrophe of the flood without God specifically intervening to save them. In that case, I wonder why God just didn't let the smallpox, polio, HIV, ebola, yersinia, and influenza die off in the flood.

 

[Greg1234]

That's the laziest answer I've ever seen to this question. Microorganisms live in very specific niches, and not all of the ones we see today would have survived in a radially different aqueous environment unless God specifically altered the salinity around each species and serotype to allow them to survive. There is no possible way that all of these infectious agents would have survived the catastrophe of the flood without God specifically intervening to save them. In that case, I wonder why God just didn't let the smallpox, polio, HIV, ebola, yersinia, and influenza die off in the flood.

The individual was laughing about water being dilute and more concentrated so I showed him varied salinity concentrations. It wasn't an answer to anything else.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

The individual was laughing about water being dilute and more concentrated so I showed him varied salinity concentrations. It wasn't an answer to anything else.

You seemed to imply in your reply to me that microorganisms all survived in the flood waters, and that varying salinity could account for the varying requirements of various microbes. If that wasn't your point, I'm sorry and I misunderstood. So how would you explain the survival of the pathogens?

And I doubt Bible authors knew the germ theory of disease. There are no references in the Bible anything like that, and the Bible even tells you to sprinkle blood on your house and do an incantation if your house is stricken with plague.

 

[Greg1234]

You seemed to imply in your reply to me that microorganisms all survived in the flood waters, and that varying salinity could account for the varying requirements of various microbes. If that wasn't your point, I'm sorry and I misunderstood. So how would you explain the survival of the pathogens?

I did that a couple posts ago. 29 in particular

And I doubt Bible authors knew the germ theory of disease. There are no references in the Bible anything like that, and the Bible even tells you to sprinkle blood on your house and do an incantation if your house is stricken with plague.

Again, you're still implementing a Darwinian beginning. The cause of diseases was understood on a much deeper level. Jesus also knew more than modern man's understanding at the "germ theory". There were no need for scalpels, no antibiotics.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I did that a couple posts ago. 29 in particular

In all honesty you did not explain anything in that post. Could you explain it again?

Again, you're still implementing a Darwinian beginning. The cause of diseases was understood on a much deeper level. Jesus also knew more than modern man's understanding at the "germ theory". There were no need for scalpels, no antibiotics.

He left no usable knowledge, though. The plague in Europe killed millions; if they had penicillin that would have been prevented because we know what bacterium caused it. Antibiotics, sanitation, and vaccination, which arose from the germ theory of disease, are the single most important reasons why our life expectancy has increased from the olden days. Jesus had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jro]

The individual was laughing about water being dilute and more concentrated so I showed him varied salinity concentrations. It wasn't an answer to anything else.

Hold on, I thought you were saying there were areas that were unaffected by the flood, as in, the water didn't cover them and human populations were also left unaffected.

 

[Greg1234]

In all honesty you did not explain anything in that post. Could you explain it again?

Do you understand what is meant by a global fire in these?

'Giant asteroid that wiped out dinosaurs from Earth fell in India' - Brahmand.com

The tremendous impact would have ignited global fires, initiated tsunamis, destroyed coastal habitats, produced acid rains, turned seawater acidic, dissolved carbonate-shelled animals and devastated the biosphere. Millions of organisms would have died instantly from the tremendous tremor and the global fire generated from the impact.

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NEW EVIDENCE INDICATES GLOBAL FIRESTORM KILLED OFF DINOSAURS | Deseret News

Scientists Wednesday published new evidence to bolster a controversial theory that dinosaurs went extinct because of a global firestorm sparked by the impact of a giant meteorite.


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More Confusion At The K-T Boundary

[FONT=Arial,helvetica]Evidence of a global fire. Soot appears at the K-T boundary at many sites, but where did it come from? Chemical analyses of these soots show an enhanced concentration of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons over soots above and below the boundary. This is strong evidence of pyrolytic action at the K-T boundary; i.e., widespread fires. (Venkatesan, M.I., and Dahl, J.; "Organic Geochemical Evidence for Global Fires at the Cretaceous/Tertiary Boun dary," Nature, March 2, 1989.) Fire could have been initiated by either volcanism or impacts. [/FONT]
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He left no usable knowledge, though. The plague in Europe killed millions; if they had penicillin that would have been prevented because we know what bacterium caused it. Antibiotics, sanitation, and vaccination, which arose from the germ theory of disease, are the single most important reasons why our life expectancy has increased from the olden days. Jesus had nothing to do with it.

never mind

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Greg, let's start over. How do you account for the survival of pathogens that need humans and animals to survive? Were they on the Ark? Were they not on the Ark? If so, where were they?

 

[Greg1234]

Greg, let's start over. How do you account for the survival of pathogens that need humans and animals to survive? Were they on the Ark? Were they not on the Ark? If so, where were they?

First I'm asking if you understand what is meant by global fire here http://www.christianforums.com/t7548422-5/#post57121229

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

First I'm asking if you understand what is meant by global fire here http://www.christianforums.com/t7548422-5/#post57121229

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Hairy Tic]

Lets not question if creation is true or not, i dont read the bible so im not sure what the answers to these questions are.

1) How was it possible for noah to make the ark himself?
2) How did he get all the animals in one place?
3) Where did all the water come from / go to
4) How come no kangaroos are native to asia?

## If the flood story is not about an historical event, questions about its history become inapplicable.

• (2) Because the flood was local - probably confined to the Persian Gulf - and only the animals listed as clean & unclean were intended; alligators, candiru-fish, brontosaurs, weevils, giant sloths, muntjacs, toads, Przewalski's horse, pythons, caribou, beavers, wildcats, orb-weavers, & elands were not intended.(Nor were Cthulhu & Dagon.)
• (3) See above
• (4) For whatever reason kraits are found in India, but not in Europe or the Americas.