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Popes call

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by -57, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. -57

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  2. Rhamiel

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    It seems that the Pope views dialogue with Muslims and Jews as an end in and of itself rather then a tool conversion, bringing them to know Christ and His Church outside which there is no salvation
     
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  3. Michie

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    It's not a Catholic source. I did post on this topic yesterday and will add the link here and comment.
     
  4. Michie

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    In Naples, Pope Francis Calls for Theological Dialogue with Islam, Judaism

    While I think the pope is speaking of living in a peaceful society and people of different beliefs cooperating together... I have no idea what his ultimate goal is when he brings up theology. His comments about training in university of young people has to do with culture I think. But when he brings up conscience, etc. without mentioning a well formed conscience that does not step outside of Church teaching, it makes one wonder. I dislike his use of the buzzword: coexist. So I find it ambiguous as usual and pandering. JMO.
     
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    It fits in with the teaching of the Magisterium in recent years .

    For example , when Pope John Paul II addressed young Muslims he said : " Dialogue between Christians and Muslims is today more necessary than ever. It flows from our fidelity to God and supposes that we know how to recognize God by faith, and to witness to him by word and deed in a world ever more secularized and at times even atheistic."

    "I am sure that all of you, young people, are capable of this dialogue. You do not wish to be conditioned by prejudices. You are ready to build a civilization based on love. You can work to cause the barriers to fall, barriers that are due at times to pride, but more often to man's feebleness and fear. You wish to love others, without any limit of nation, race or religion."

    "I believe that we, Christians and Muslims, must recognize with joy the religious values that we have in common, and give thanks to God for them. Both of us believe in one God the only God, who is all Justice and all Mercy."

    "Christians and Muslims, in general we have badly understood each other, and sometimes, in the past, we have opposed and even exhausted each other in polemics and in wars."

    "I believe that, today, God invites us to change our old practices. We must respect each other, and also we must stimulate each other in good works on the path of God."
     
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    The problem I personally have with that is we believe Jesus is God. They don't.
     
  8. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    True.
     
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    Nor do Jewish folks.

    The difference is that Jewish folks don't condition their children to want to kill Christians. I think PStJPII was trying to instill was call to end the prejudices.
     
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    In similar vein to that of Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis , Pope Benedict wrote : " The Church's universal nature and vocation require that she engage in dialogue with the members of other religions. In the Middle East this dialogue is based on the spiritual and historical bonds uniting Christians to Jews and Muslims. It is a dialogue which is not primarily dictated by pragmatic political or social considerations, but by underlying theological concerns which have to do with faith ."

    " Jews, Christians and Muslims alike believe in one God, the Creator of all men and women. May Jews, Christians and Muslims rediscover one of God's desires, that of the unity and harmony of the human family. May Jews, Christians and Muslims find in other believers brothers and sisters to be respected and loved, and in this way, beginning in their own lands, give the beautiful witness of serenity and concord between the children of Abraham."

    "We know that the encounter of Islam and Christianity has often taken the form of doctrinal controversy. Sadly, both sides have used doctrinal differences as a pretext for justifying, in the name of religion, acts of intolerance, discrimination, marginalization and even of persecution ."
     
  11. Rhamiel

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    On February 2 1986 Pope John Paul II allowed a Hindu religious woman to bless him, that along with his actions with the interfaith prayer meeting in Assisi and some of the actions associated with that makes him a bit of an unreliable source on ecumenical issues
    We should not pretend that all Muslims are raised like that, while there are serious issues with violence in the Quran we should not oversimplify the situation
     
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    Fair point
     
  13. Michie

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    I rejoice at the interfaith prayer meetings attended by Popes John Paul II , Benedict and Francis .

    May they continue and multiply .

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    Jewish folk are not saved.
     
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    No. There are points that I don't theologically agree with the RCC but often the opinions you link us to are spot on.
     
  18. Colin

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    You are not a Catholic , so why did you post on a Catholic forum a link the contents of which would be offensive to most Catholics ?
     
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    I posted a link that show many Catholics find what the Pope is doing with the Muslims is offending. I was simply hoping to get some clarification. I'm sorry you found that to be offensive.
     
  20. Michie

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    @-57,
    The best way to get Catholic info is to go to Catholic sources. There is much twisting of the truth and added salaciousness when they are not. I had to learn that myself. Just friendly advise. :)
     
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