Pope: Orthodox churches were defective

[nestoj]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/from/ET/

 

[Protoevangel]

Yea, I read this this morning. What surprises me is that some people seem offended by this, as if it were new news. If we are in ecumenical talks, I think it is important that these issues are clearly and succinctly drawn out.

Thanks for the post!

 

[InnerPhyre]

This is the best news I've heard in ages. It's about time the leadership of the Roman Church had the stones to stand up and proclaim what they ACTUALLY believe rather than spouting their typical touchy-feely ecumenical garbage (lies). The only way to have fruitful dialogue is if both parties approach the table with honesty. It doesn't work if one or both party just tries to sweep the issues under the rug.

 

[E.C.]

What /\ InnerPhyre said.

 

[Matrona]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/from/ET/

I'm certainly glad to see the same wishy-washy nonsense thrown out the window. Not that I care that he thinks Christ's Church is 'defective.' (If he thinks we're 'defective,' I would hate to see his idea of 'working order'!)

Now, could someone please obtain a copy of this, highlight the word 'defective', and stick it in the EP's nose?

 

[Rowan]

This is the best news I've heard in ages. It's about time the leadership of the Roman Church had the stones to stand up and proclaim what they ACTUALLY believe rather than spouting their typical touchy-feely ecumenical garbage (lies). The only way to have fruitful dialogue is if both parties approach the table with honesty. It doesn't work if one or both party just tries to sweep the issues under the rug.

I agree! I kinda like this traditionalist Pope.

 

[SeraphimSarov]

If he were really traditional, he'd realize the extreme error of his church and come back home.

 

[Rowan]

If he were really traditional, he'd realize the extreme error of his church and come back home.

True that

I just like seeing him taking a stand about this. Keeps us honest.

 

[E.C.]

One thing that I've learned about old people of German or Slavic decent: they are honest. They will speak their minds.

 

[nestoj]

One thing that I've learned about old people of German or Slavic decent: they are honest. They will speak their minds.

Let's start then: I never trusted bishops of Rome. That changed with this one - I'm CERTAIN that he is telling what he thinks and that is a good thing for a change. I just hope EP will adjust his position in light of this event.

nestoj
God helps

 

[SeraphimSarov]

Okay, coming from a Catholic background, I never really kept up with stuff... I take it the pope and the ecumenical patriarch (that's what EC stands for, isn't it?) have been in discussions, but what are they discussing? I mean, the churches have been in schism for nearly 1000 years, so there's no way either side's beliefs are unclear to the other. Or is that not true?

 

[Shubunkin]

Yea - saw that. **yawn**

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed “churches” because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed “many elements of sanctification and of truth.” But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope — a defect, or a “wound” that harmed them, it said.

That's the rich part....

 

[Filia Mariae]

"Defective" is MSNBC's word, not Pope Benedict's.

 

[Khaleas]

"Defective" is MSNBC's word, not Pope Benedict's.

That's the word used in the translation on the Vatican website...

 

[Macarius]

It's no different than what we'd say about them. Good job to the Pope for having the courage.

 

[Matrona]

Yea - saw that. **yawn**

That's the rich part....

Let's not forget to enjoy our "many elements of sanctification and truth" next Liturgy.

It's no different than what we'd say about them. Good job to the Pope for having the courage.

I think it's a little more complicated than that. There are Orthodox who'd hold a like view of them, I'm sure, but there are stronger views among Orthodox as well, ones that would call for stronger terms, such as one in particular that starts with an H.

"Defective", to me at least, sounds a little too much like "parasynagogue".

 

[buzuxi02]

This pope just a few days ago sanctioned the Latin mass. The latin mass would appeal to the hardcore rc and sspx. Likewise this statement would appeal to the same group.

I'm wondering whether this pope has finally come to terms (something other christian leaders need to do as well) that Europe (and the west in general) is now post-christian and beyond saving.

Perhaps going back to traditional ways for the remnant.

Hopefully the Orthodox ecumenists will wake up and uphold True Orthodoxy in the light of this.

 

[xristos.anesti]

About time for Rome to stop being sleazy - I like them more when they start telling how they feel - it gives me a wake up that there is no way that we can re-unite.

 

[Philothei]

"Hopefully the Orthodox ecumenists will wake up and uphold True Orthodoxy in the light of this."


Has anyone seen any reactions from our churches???

Just wondering....

God bless,
Philothei

 

[Sothron]

This pope just a few days ago sanctioned the Latin mass. The latin mass would appeal to the hardcore rc and sspx. Likewise this statement would appeal to the same group.

I'm wondering whether this pope has finally come to terms (something other christian leaders need to do as well) that Europe (and the west in general) is now post-christian and beyond saving.

Perhaps going back to traditional ways for the remnant.

Hopefully the Orthodox ecumenists will wake up and uphold True Orthodoxy in the light of this.

I sadly agree with this. I do not think it is possible without a true miracle to reverse the slide in the Western world.