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Pope Francis Tells It Like It IS

Discussion in 'The Lord's Table - Liberal Catholics' started by Fantine, Sep 11, 2017.

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  1. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter

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    The Catholic Catechism (N. 2241.2) says that immigration policy belongs with ‘political authorities’, not bishops.
     
  2. Colin

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    In the meantime , as St Peter and the other apostles said , "We must obey God rather than human beings! " (Acts 5:29)
     
  3. Fantine

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    You don't believe your habits contribute to climate change. I get it. But an investment in solar panels would pay for itself in 8 years--and the panels would last 20.

    It's a win-win situation. Take a chance that the enormous preponderance of evidence on climate change is true--and save money.

    If you don't do it for the human family, do it for yourself.
     
  4. Go Braves

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    How would families not be separated by rescinding DACA? There's 'Dreamers' who are the oldest in the family, brought to the USA when they were young but have younger sibs who were born here & get to stay put. Since these folks are young adults, a sib a year or two younger born in the US could have already married, had kids. So the Dreamers would be separated from their families who can legally stay, & the life they built for themselves.
     
  5. tadoflamb

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    The USCCB was founded to support Catholic immigrants.

    If US immigration policies are immoral, then it's up to the bishops to speak out against them.
     
  6. tadoflamb

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    Legalized abortion comes immediately to mind.

    Like the Holy Father, I'm fuzzy on the legal details. What I do know is that when it comes to immigration we need to do the right thing. The repeal of DACA is causing a lot of anxiety and suffering. This why I stand with Pope Francis in believing that Trump's action is not pro-life.
     
  7. Root of Jesse

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    No, the USCCB was not founded for the primary purpose of 'supporting Catholic immigrants'. It so happens that every country has a Conference of Catholic Bishops, in fact, most states in the US have a Catholic Bishop's Conference.
    Here's the thing: You need to describe in what way US Immigration policies are immoral before declaring them to be so. US Immigration policies are the most lenient in the world, although they are, in fact, broken and out dated. No country on the face of the earth allows more immigration than the US.
     
  8. tadoflamb

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    US immigration policy has always been skewed against Catholics. This why the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops was formed in the first place, to stop the exploitation of Catholic immigrants. I will continue to stand with the bishops in continuing to build a society that is truly pro-life.
     
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  9. Go Braves

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    Well that's not all that relevant to this discussion, but I am wanting to know if you're sure about that. I thought she was for DACA. That her comments about kids being sent back home was made a few years back when there was this huge number of them coming in from Central America all on their own. Unaccompanied. It was about actual kids, not Dreamers who are young adults & can fend for themselves. Thought she said that if there were responsible adults back in their home country to care for the kids, they ought to be reunited with them. She was wanting folks in Central America to quit sending little kids on the long dangerous trek.
     
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  10. Fantine

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    Maybe, Root of Jesse, it's not mentioned in the catechism because throwing young adults out of the only homeland they have ever known is part of that "natural law" we hear so often--that small still voice in our hearts that recoils in horror at the idea of doing something like that.

    That small still voice that says we should love our neighbors as ourselves. That small still voice that says do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    There are lots of negative influences trying to silence that small still voice, but you have a choice not to listen to them.

    It's not in the catechism because the rightness of protecting DACA youth is as obvious as the noses on our faces.
     
  11. KWCrazy

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    I wish you success in that endeavor.
     
  12. tadoflamb

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    Thank you.
     
  13. tadoflamb

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    Yeah it was. The history of the Catholic Church in America is the story of Catholic immigration to America.
     
  14. tadoflamb

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    Epic post, Fantine. I wish I had written it.
     
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  15. tadoflamb

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    Do you go to mass? It shows up 19 times in the translation we use there.
     
  16. AvilaSurfer

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    I doubt it.
     
  17. tadoflamb

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    Yeah, heard that before.

    It's 19.


    20 Bible results for “stupid.” Showing results 1-20.

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    Galatians 3 [Full Chapter]
    [ IV. Faith and Liberty ] [ Chapter 3 ] Justification by Faith. O stupidGalatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? I want to learn only this from you: did you receive the Spirit from works of the law, or from faith in what you heard? Are you so stupid? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? ...
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    2 Maccabees 11:13
    Peace Negotiations. But Lysias was not a stupid man. He reflected on the defeat he had suffered, and came to realize that the Hebrews were invincible because the mighty God was their ally. He therefore sent a message
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    Psalm 73:22
    I was stupid and could not understand; I was like a brute beast in your presence.
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    Psalm 94:8
    [ III ] Understand, you stupid people! You fools, when will you be wise?
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    Proverbs 12:1
    [ Chapter 12 ] Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates reproof is stupid.
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    Proverbs 13:10
    The stupid sow discord by their insolence, but wisdom is with those who take counsel.
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    Wisdom 15:14
    But most stupid of all and worse than senseless in mind, are the enemies of your people who enslaved them.
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    Wisdom 15:18
    [ Second Example Resumed ] Besides, they worship the most loathsome beasts— as regards stupidity, these are worse than the rest,
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    Ben Sira 6:20
    She is rough ground to the fool! The stupid cannot abide her.
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    Ben Sira 21:18
    Like a house in ruins is wisdom to a fool; to the stupid, knowledge is incomprehensible chatter.
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    Ben Sira 22:13
    Do not talk much with the stupid, or visit the unintelligent. Beware of them lest you have trouble and be spattered when they shake themselves off. Avoid them and you will find rest and not be wearied by their lack of sense.
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    Ben Sira 22:15
    Sand, salt, and an iron weight are easier to bear than the stupid person.
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    Ben Sira 27:12
    Limit the time you spend among the stupid, but frequent the company of the thoughtful.
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    Isaiah 19:11
    Utter fools are the princes of Zoan! the wisest of Pharaoh’s advisers give stupid counsel. How can you say to Pharaoh, “I am a descendant of wise men, of ancient kings”?
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    Isaiah 29:9
    [ Blindness and Perversity ] Stupefy yourselves and stay stupid; blind yourselves and stay blind! You who are drunk, but not from wine, who stagger, but not from strong drink!
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    Jeremiah 10:8
    One and all they are stupid and senseless, the instruction from nonentities—only wood!
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    Jeremiah 10:14
    Everyone is too stupid to know; every artisan is put to shame by his idol: He has molded a fraud, without breath of life.
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    Jeremiah 10:21
    How stupid are the shepherds! The Lord they have not sought; For this reason they have failed, and all their flocks scattered.
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    Jeremiah 51:17
    Every man is stupid, ignorant; every artisan is put to shame by his idol: He molds a fraud, without life-breath.
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    Galatians 3:1
    [ IV. Faith and Liberty ] [ Chapter 3 ] Justification by Faith. O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
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    Galatians 3:3
    Are you so stupid? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?
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  18. AvilaSurfer

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    Yeah, internet bibles say lots of things. Like I've said I have 4 Catholic study bibles, all with an imprimater and nihil obstat, and approved by USCCB, and ZERO times do any of them use the word "stupid." But you stick with your internet links.
    Half of my original comment referenced the pope's alleged use of the word - which he didn't. So there's that.
     
  19. Shiloh Raven

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    Speaking of a Catholic bible, Tad. I've been thinking about purchasing one for myself. I'm mostly curious about the books that were left out of the Protestant bible. I would like to read them and I would like to read the rest of the Catholic bible too. Do you have any recommendations for me?

    Maybe a study bible? I'm sure I could find the Catholic bible available online somewhere, but I'm old fashioned when it comes to the bible and to books in general. I actually like to have a book in hand to read rather than read books on Kindle or read the bible on an iPhone bible app. Thanks.
     
  20. Colin

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    Emerald Flame , I highly recommend the 1966 Standard edition of the Jerusalem Bible .

    If you can't get that there is a new translation of the Jerusalem Bible .

    Quoting Amazon , "The New Jerusalem Bible is recognised as one of today's most accurate, clear and modern translations, the fruit of long collaboration between leading biblical scholars. This Standard Edition presents the New Jerusalem Bible with comprehensive material designed for serious study of the scriptures. It contains the full Bible, with special features for in-depth study: * Extensive Footnotes to the text, plus a table of major footnotes * Side-margin Cross-reference system * Full-colour Maps and Diagrams, with index * 20-page Chronological Table, detailing the historical context of biblical events * An Index of Persons, with verse references * Major scholarly Introductions to all the main groupings of books ."

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