Pope Francis Invites Founder of Liberation Theology to the Vatican

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So......about liberation theology......
From the article I posted:

Certainly Bergoglio is a man who has always been concerned about those in genuine material need. But orthodox Christianity didn’t need to wait for liberation theology in order to articulate deep concern for the materially poor and to remind those with power and resources that they have concrete obligations to the less fortunate. From the very beginning, it was a message that pervaded the Gospels and the Church’s subsequent life.
 
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It was, but they were not socialists. How can a country call itself socialist when they call Marx a criminal and do not adopt a collectivist stance?



The Nazi party really wasn't remarkably anti-democracy and certainly not anti-burggeoisie. The bourgeoisie, like the Krupps, faired quite well under Nazism.

now I am not saying that the National Socialists of Germany were identical to the Stalinist Socialists of Russia



They aren't considered to be socialists by anyone who knows anything about socialism. They were considered gravely evil by American socialists even in the early and mid 1930s, when the rest of America thought they were just dandy. The Nazi government cannot be said to have had a hatred of capitalism. They embraced capitalism openly and often allowed succesful industry to run unhindered, even in wartime.



That's about like saying that black slavery in the US reveals the racist character of capitalism. China has moved away from many of Mao's evils, and the US has moved away from much of our racist past.

Indeed! What Socialist party was ever primarily supported by the industrialists, lawyers and physicians - the monied classes? Absolute nonsense, Rhamiel. Not to speak of the American banks of Prescott Bush and Avery Dulles. Also, J P Morgan, industrialists such as Dupont.

Only Rooselvelt and Smedley-Butler stood between the US and a Nazi Putsch by the likes of the latter. And I don't think the School of the Americas would appreciate being designated a Socialist outfit. Expect some heavy knocking on your door in the middle of the night! (joke). Torture is mostly for foreigners - unless you have a shade of brown skin.
 
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It was, but they were not socialists. How can a country call itself socialist when they call Marx a criminal and do not adopt a collectivist stance?



The Nazi party really wasn't remarkably anti-democracy and certainly not anti-burggeoisie. The bourgeoisie, like the Krupps, faired quite well under Nazism.

now I am not saying that the National Socialists of Germany were identical to the Stalinist Socialists of Russia



They aren't considered to be socialists by anyone who knows anything about socialism. They were considered gravely evil by American socialists even in the early and mid 1930s, when the rest of America thought they were just dandy. The Nazi government cannot be said to have had a hatred of capitalism. They embraced capitalism openly and often allowed succesful industry to run unhindered, even in wartime.



That's about like saying that black slavery in the US reveals the racist character of capitalism. China has moved away from many of Mao's evils, and the US has moved away from much of our racist past.


It could scarcely have been more totalitarian. Google about Sophie Scholl, Franz Jaegerstetter. Heck. Read about the regime.
 
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Psalm 81(82)

God stands in the divine assembly,
in the midst of the gods he gives judgment.

How long will you favour the cause of the wicked?
Do justice for the weak and the orphan,
defend the afflicted and the needy,
Rescue the weak and the poor;
set them free from the hands of the wicked.

Unperceiving they grope in the darkness
and the order of the world is shaken.
I have said to you:'You are gods
and all of you sons of the Most High.'
And yet, you shall die like men,
You shall fall like any of the princes.

Arise, O God, judge the earth,
for you rule all the nations.

This prophetic Psalm would seem to have been generally, if purposefully, addressed to the leaders of the episcopacy of the Tridentine church.

Whatever your interpretation of it, be careful not to align yourself with wicked. This life is not a practice run. And whatever you do, don't mention Ayn Rand at the Pearly Gates.
 
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Indeed! What Socialist party was ever primarily supported by the industrialists, lawyers and physicians - the monied classes? . . .


Many wealthy Banksters and Capitalists Jews on Wall Street helped to fund the Bolshevist Socialist Revolution in 1917 and its subsequent Revolutionary state. J P Morgan, many wealthy Industrialists, and Banksters later on have funded and built whole factories in the Soviet Union and donated millions in humanitarian aid throughout the Cold War era with the knowledge and blessing of the State Department who said that the United States ought not 'to deprive them of aid'.
 
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