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Rotten even.Maybe on alternate Thursdays he does. I can't judge his soul. But the fruits seem a bit wrong.
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Rotten even.Maybe on alternate Thursdays he does. I can't judge his soul. But the fruits seem a bit wrong.
I'm not sure the Catholic teaching on this but Romans 1 seems to indicate it is something that happens later in life as opposed to before birth.
Pope Francis endorsed gay civil unions for the first time as pope while being interviewed for a feature-length documentary that made its premiere at the Rome Film Festival on Wednesday.
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Pope endorses same-sex civil unions in new documentary film
I have way from my computer all day, but was surprised when I heard the news on the radio at 9:30 am. Why did he do it? My guess that he genuinely feels for the gay community and the trials that they must endure, especially in certain countries, and this is probably his way of showing his concern for them.Although I am glad this isn't an ex cathedra statement I still don't understand why Pope Francis said this. I don't really know what to say about it or how to move forward. I still want to be Catholic but this has stunned me.
He can show concern in a way that does not sell out the faith. Or he could have.I have way from my computer all day, but was surprised when I heard the news on the radio at 9:30 am. Why did he do it? My guess that he genuinely feels for the gay community and the trials that they must endure, especially in certain countries, and this is probably his way of showing his concern for them.
I do not know that he is an outright heretic for expressing such views. It is probably a gray area, as he is not trying to change the Church teaching on marriage itself.Could the Pope now be defined as a Heretic? Clearly he is professing beliefs that are against the church.
Your point is well taken and again, I was surprised by the news. He must feel that he is on solid ground for making such a statement, though that is probably debatable and the SSPX folks will have a field day with this matter, let alone the Sedevacantists who insist that the chair of Peter has been vacant for decades.He can show concern in a way that does not sell out the faith. Or he could have.
Michie - He is certainly going against his two predecessors with this action. I suppose that he can claim that their teaching on the issue of civil unions was not ex cathedra and that therefore he has the right to express a different point of view. I do feel for all of you that are upset and I have no easy answer for you.It is not the first time Pope Francis has contravened Church teaching in the matter of homosexuality, but it is one of his clearest statements contravening established Church teaching. In 2003, in a document by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) and approved and ordered published by Pope St. John Paul II, the Church issued specific guidance on the need to reject homosexual civil union proposals. The document called “Considerations regarding proposals to give legal recognition to unions between homosexual persons,” states that “all Catholics are obliged to oppose the legal recognition of homosexual unions.”
The Catholic Church teaches, moreover, that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” and that respect for homosexuals “cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behaviour or to legal recognition of homosexual unions.”
Catholic News Agency reports that the film includes the “story of the pontiff encouraging two Italian men in a same-sex relationship to raise their children in their parish church.” Speaking of his pastoral approach in an interview with filmmaker Evgeny Afineevsky, the Pope said, “Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family. They’re children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out, or be made miserable because of it.”
LifeSite has contacted the Vatican Press Office and several Cardinals for comment but has not yet received responses.
Pope Francis calls for homosexual civil unions, bashes Trump in new film
It's not just the SSPX and the even more extreme sedevacantists. Every garden variety anti-Catholic will be having a field day with this. It's the pope shooting his foot off. It's a massive mistake by a pope who is about as responsible for his words as Donald Trump in a tweetstorm.Your point is well taken and again, I was surprised by the news. He must feel that he is on solid ground for making such a statement, though that is probably debatable and the SSPX folks will have a field day with this matter, let alone the Sedevacantists who insist that the chair of Peter has been vacant for decades.
He has a right to express any old opinion he wants. But I suspect God has some expectations. I have for a few years considered pope Francis to be a bad pope. Still the pope but a bad one. I'm ready to consider now whether he is also a heretic. Not just confused but a flaming heretic.Michie - He is certainly going against his two predecessors with this action. I suppose that he can claim that their teaching on the issue of civil unions was not ex cathedra and that therefore he has the right to express a different point of view. I do feel for all of you that are upset and I have no easy answer for you.
ABC's World News Tonight just reported that Pope Francis supported civil unions before he became Pope. I knew that he was described as a moderate as Archbishop, but did not know of his endorsement of civil unions back then.
We cannot know the heart and soul of another person, but my guess is that Pope Francis does fear God.How deep do you think this is though? Does Pope Francis fear God?
Do we know for a fact that the Pope told that man that God made him gay? I know this man says this but it was a private conversation and to my knowledge the Pope hasn't confirmed that.Yes I think I’ve read that one before. It does not support the pope telling that man God made him gay.
Well it’s very charitable for you to say. But the apologetic days of old are over for me. Pope Francis’ actions and lack of clarification speaks for itself in my book. I admittedly think on the more pessimistic side when it comes to Pope Francis. God forgive me but I’m not going to be dishonest about it. He needs to speak up for the faithful and clarify. Which he feels no desire to do. He could stop all this media speculation and confusion himself but he refuses to do so. Wonder why??Do we know for a fact that the Pope told that man that God made him gay? I know this man says this but it was a private conversation and to my knowledge the Pope hasn't confirmed that.
Perhaps what the Pope did was to affirm Catholic teaching that he recognizes the man may not have made a choice to be gay.
Those are two different things. It's quite possible the Pope was affirming that his same sex attraction may indeed not be a choice but a result of his fallen nature, and the person heard I didn't choose this so the Pope told me that God made me gay.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but I just think that is a distinct possibility and we shouldn't accept that someone isn't deliberately misleading or sincerely misinterpreting.
And yes, it would be nice if the Pope came out and said no I didn't say that, but there also may be pastoral reasons he doesn't feel that he can do that regarding a private conversation.
Now. Are homosexuals children of God like he says...of course.