Polytheism proven wrong

[createdtoworship]

Why even respond to his post then?

I am wondering why I am responding to yours actually.

 

[ShamashUruk]

I am wondering why I am responding to yours actually.

You opened a ridiculous posting, and you are bound to get responses.

 

[Peter1000]

but if God gives power away, how does he remain all powerful, and still a creator entity?

'They' remain all powerful.

 

[createdtoworship]

'They' remain all powerful.

Say you have 100% power and you give 10% to a lesser God. Now neither is all powerful.

 

[ShamashUruk]

Say you have 100% power and you give 10% to a lesser God. Now neither is all powerful.

God has 100% power and gives 10% power away leaving God with 90% power, in this case God is not all powerful to begin with, for the very fact that God can lose power. So the God you describe has flaws to begin with.

 

[createdtoworship]

God has 100% power and gives 10% power away leaving God with 90% power, in this case God is not all powerful to begin with, for the very fact that God can lose power. So the God you describe has flaws to begin with.

For the fourth time, this is not my viewpoint. This is the viewpoint of another. So I can politely ignore further comments from you, as you don't appear to be listening to other people.

 

[ShamashUruk]

For the fourth time, this is not my viewpoint. This is the viewpoint of another. So I can politely ignore further comments from you, as you don't appear to be listening to other people.

When you engage in conversation it becomes opposition to your view point.

 

[Peter1000]

Say you have 100% power and you give 10% to a lesser God. Now neither is all powerful.

But between Them They still command 100% of the power.

 

[createdtoworship]

But between Them They still command 100% of the power.

but again neither would be strong enough to be the all power ful, God creator. And if they had to recreate, they would not be able to. Because their power was diminished among other dieties.

 

[Peter1000]

Say you have 100% power and you give 10t% to a lesser God. Now neither is all powerful.

logically, I can also go another direction about the power of God.

God created all things.
This creative power is knowledge.
This knowledge is to either create things from nothing or to use the eternally existing elements to create things.
God teaches another Person to create things.
God does not lose His knowledge/power to create.
Now 2 Persons have the knowledge/power to create things.
God teaches another Person to create things.
God does not lose His knowledge/power to create.
Now a Trinity have the knowledge/power to create things.

 

[Peter1000]

but again neither would be strong enough to be the all power ful, God creator. And if they had to recreate, they would not be able to. Because their power was diminished among other dieties.

Their 100% power would not diminish among other deities unless the Three wish it to be distributed to others, which at the time, They do not. Hence 100% of the power is held by these Three.

If They wish to recreate, the Three will have to act as if They are 1 God to do the creating.

 

[createdtoworship]

logically, I can also go another direction about the power of God.

God created all things.
This creative power is knowledge.
This knowledge is to either create things from nothing or to use the eternally existing elements to create things.
God teaches another Person to create things.
God does not lose His knowledge/power to create.
Now 2 Persons have the knowledge/power to create things.
God teaches another Person to create things.
God does not lose His knowledge/power to create.
Now a Trinity have the knowledge/power to create things.

But you can't prove God uses knowledge alone without power or other exertions.

 

[Peter1000]

But you can't prove God uses knowledge alone, without power and other exertions.

God is omnipotent (all powerful) because He is omniscient (has all knowledge). And you can say this backwards. God is omniscient (has all knowledge) because He is omnipotent (all powerful).

Either way knowledge and power or power and knowledge are inseparably connected. A Person cannot be all powerful, without being all knowledgeable.

God logically can give or teach His knowledge to others, which He has done, in at least 2 cases, His Son Jesus Christ and the HS.

The Trinity acts as if it is 1 God, with 100% of the power and knowledge to create.[/QUOTE]

 

[createdtoworship]

God is omnipotent (all powerful) because He is omniscient (has all knowledge). And you can say this backwards. God is omniscient (has all knowledge) because He is omnipotent (all powerful).

Either way knowledge and power or power and knowledge are inseparably connected. A Person cannot be all powerful, without being all knowledgeable.

God logically can give or teach His knowledge to others, which He has done, in at least 2 cases, His Son Jesus Christ and the HS.

The Trinity acts as if it is 1 God, with 100% of the power and knowledge to create.

[/QUOTE]
Again you can't prove that God's omnipotence is because of His omnicience. I believe His omnipotence is because of His nature, not His brain.

 

[Peter1000]

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Again you can't prove that God's omnipotence is because of His omnicience. I believe His omnipotence is because of His nature, not His brain.

You cannot prove that God's omnipotence is because of his nature.

If God is all powerful, which He is, He can certainly teach others to create, and to govern, which He has.

 

[createdtoworship]

Again you can't prove that God's omnipotence is because of His omnicience. I believe His omnipotence is because of His nature, not His brain.
You cannot prove that God's omnipotence is because of his nature.

If God is all powerful, which He is, He can certainly teach others to create, and to govern, which He has.

But you have two Hebrew words for.create, one is something only the creator can do. You have asa and bara one is creating from nothing, what is done.in genesis. The other is.something we can create, like art or sculptures from existing material.

 

[bhsmte]

Again you can't prove that God's omnipotence is because of His omnicience. I believe His omnipotence is because of His nature, not His brain.[/QUOTE]

And you can't prove that either.

 

[createdtoworship]

And you can't prove that either.

But it's not my illustration, so the burden lies with you guys, not me... to prove.

 

[Peter1000]

But you have two Hebrew words for.create, one is something only the creator can do. You have asa and bara one is creating from nothing, what is done.in genesis. The other is.something we can create, like art or sculptures from existing material.

The basic definition of 'bara' is: to shape, fashion, or create.

There is no indication in this definition that 'create' means 'out of nothing'. Since the 4th century it has been drilled into our heads from Greek philosophers, and scholars of religion. But it has not always been so. (of course this is history and should not be spoken of in this OP, but since you went outside the bounds of logic, so must I)

In the definition of 'bara', there is a quick notation that the definition is to shape, fashion, or create (and then it adds that 'create' is only used when God does something), and then gives examples in Genesis.

Well one of the examples is that God created man, both male and female created he them. But God did not create man 'out of nothing'. God created man out of the dust of the earth. So if a point was being made that when God creates, He creates things out of nothing, this example is a poor one.

Besides if God has the knowledge to create things out of nothing, or has the nature to create things out of nothing, are you the one that is going to stand up and tell God He cannot give this knowledge or nature to someone else?

 

[createdtoworship]

The basic definition of 'bara' is: to shape, fashion, or create.

There is no indication in this definition that 'create' means 'out of nothing'. Since the 4th century it has been drilled into our heads from Greek philosophers, and scholars of religion. But it has not always been so. (of course this is history and should not be spoken of in this OP, but since you went outside the bounds of logic, so must I)

In the definition of 'bara', there is a quick notation that the definition is to shape, fashion, or create (and then it adds that 'create' is only used when God does something), and then gives examples in Genesis.

Well one of the examples is that God created man, both male and female created he them. But God did not create man 'out of nothing'. God created man out of the dust of the earth. So if a point was being made that when God creates, He creates things out of nothing, this example is a poor one.

Besides if God has the knowledge to create things out of nothing, or has the nature to create things out of nothing, are you the one that is going to stand up and tell God He cannot give this knowledge or nature to someone else?

Exactly, you are right. This is not a history thread, but if you wish to quote scholars, I can quote them too. But sorry if I don't take your word for it. But again I would need to be back at my office to obtain quotes with Hebrew tools and commentaries.