[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[Bob S]

Why would Christians need to keep days that were given only to one nation, Israel? And the fact is that the keeping od days were part of the set of laws that were to govern Israel while in the land of Canaan. They were not laws that pertained to salvation.

5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

God said it and I believe it. Theories of men need much examination. Those who thump observance of Sabbath certainly do not have any idea what the old covenant was about. They go so far as to tell us if we are not observant we will miss out of eternal life. What they are doing is taking a covenant that was to be the laws for Israel to live by and trying to make some of them salvational. It just ain't so.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before me to worship" - the OT Sabbath ... for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth. The same 7th day Sabbath.

Exegesis insists that we "notice" how Isaiah and his readers would have known the term for the weekly Sabbath and what it means to not delete it - but rather continue it for all eternity in the New Earth.

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4. Remains from WHEN? the text says from Psalms 95 the days of David.

Well then how did they keep the Sabbath then? Answer - On Saturday they did that very thing - a day of holy convocation as Lev 23:3 points out... a holy day of no secular activity as Isaiah 58:13 points out..

Hebrews 4 is NOT talking about keeping the Sabbath day. It is talking about Jesus.

11. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[CDF47]

Shabbat Shalom!

 

[1stcenturylady]

True ... in the OT... and true.. in the NT.

No change.

There "Remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4.

Remains "From when"? Well Hebrews 4 says it remains as it was in Psalms 95.

Irrefutable.

Who in the OT besides anointed leaders, prophets and kings had the Holy Spirit? Did the everyday Israelite?

 

[Stormy]

Can't respond to your poll, because yes I think the Sabbath should be kept holy. But then I do believe that every day of your life should be led in such a way that if God would appear you would be ready.
But rest from work? Work is not a bad thing and some professions do work on Sunday. Are we to condemn nurses, doctors, police officers, or a man who said rise up and walk?
Learn to truly love ... That is Gods commandment to you!

 

[CDF47]

Can't respond to your poll, because yes I think the Sabbath should be kept holy. But then I do believe that every day of your life should be led in such a way that if God would appear you would be ready.
But rest from work? Work is not a bad thing and some professions do work on Sunday. Are we to condemn nurses, doctors, police officers, or a man who said rise up and walk?
Learn to truly love ... That is Gods commandment to you!

Emergency services should be an exception. This is in regards to the Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown from the Fourth Commandment.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Emergency services should be an exception. This is in regards to the Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown from the Fourth Commandment.

Emergency services ARE the exception in Judaism. Saving a Life (Pikuach Nefesh) | My Jewish Learning

 

[CDF47]

Emergency services ARE the exception in Judaism. Saving a Life (Pikuach Nefesh) | My Jewish Learning

Makes sense.

 

[Devin P]

[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

The biblical 7th day sabbath, yes, we should. It's easier said than done sometimes, but absolutely!

 

[CDF47]

The biblical 7th day sabbath, yes, we should. It's easier said than done sometimes, but absolutely!

It is easier said than done but should be done, I agree.

 

[BobRyan]

Can't respond to your poll, because yes I think the Sabbath should be kept holy. But then I do believe that every day of your life should be led in such a way that if God would appear you would be ready.
But rest from work? Work is not a bad thing and some professions do work on Sunday. Are we to condemn nurses, doctors, police officers, or a man who said rise up and walk?
Learn to truly love ... That is Gods commandment to you!

God is the one that came up with this concept/commandment and as Christ shows in the NT - He allowed for emergency/humanitarian efforts on Sabbath... still it is His plan that we rest and worship God on His own selected Holy Day.

 

[BobRyan]

Who in the OT besides anointed leaders, prophets and kings had the Holy Spirit? Did the everyday Israelite?

Yes - the Holy Spirit is everywhere and there is no such thing as Salvation apart from the New Birth experience of the Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant Gospel "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

 

[BobRyan]

. The problem is you believe it includes the Old Sabbath rest, a day, rather than the New Sabbath Rest - .

Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before me to worship" - the OT Sabbath ... for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth. The same 7th day Sabbath.

Exegesis insists that we "notice" how Isaiah and his readers would have known the term for the weekly Sabbath and what it means to not delete it - but rather continue it for all eternity in the New Earth.

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Hebrews 4. Remains from WHEN? the text says from Psalms 95 the days of David.

Well then how did they keep the Sabbath then? Answer - On Saturday they did that very thing - a day of holy convocation as Lev 23:3 points out... a holy day of no secular activity as Isaiah 58:13 points out..

Hebrews 4 is NOT talking about keeping the Sabbath day. It is talking about Jesus.

Not true at all since Hebrews 4 quotes from the Commandment. And Jesus is never called "the weekly Sabbath" in all of scripture.

concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Does not say "And God Jesus-Christed on the seventh day - from all of His works" as we all know.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes - the Holy Spirit is everywhere and there is no such thing as Salvation apart from the New Birth experience of the Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant Gospel "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

I think the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is what makes the commandments written on our hearts, and not just a law on stone to be kept in your own strength, so I disagree that they had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is clear that God overlooked their sin, and just went by their own faith to serve God, looking forward to the Messiah.

 

[stuart lawrence]

, so I disagree that they had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. .

Indeed:

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will(will) be in you
John 14:15-17

There is a big difference between the Holy Spirit being with you, and Him being in you, as the disciples discovered at Pentecost

 

[stuart lawrence]

Those who believe the Holy Spirit resides under the NC with believers exactly the same as He was with the Israelites under the OC, must it stands to reason have the availability of the Spirit as they did under the OC. That explains everything-perfectly, including threads in the Sabbath and the law section

 

[BobRyan]

Those who believe the Holy Spirit resides under the NC with believers exactly the same as He was with the Israelites under the OC, must it stands to reason have the availability of the Spirit as they did under the OC.

I don't think God plays those word games.

"ONE Gospel" -- not "Two" Gal 1:6-9
THAT "Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8
NEW Covenant in the OLD Testament Jer 31:31-33
UNCHANGED in the NEW Testament Hebrews 8:6-10
Which means it is "still sin to take God's name in vain" even in the NT
"God's Law written on heart and mind" is STILL in the New Covenant promise
Moses and Elijah stand WITH Christ in glory - BEFORE the Cross... Matthew 17.

The point remains.

irrefutable.

 

[BobRyan]

I think the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is what makes the commandments written on our hearts

Just as was the case in the OT.

"ONE Gospel" -- not "Two" Gal 1:6-9
THAT "Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8
NEW Covenant in the OLD Testament Jer 31:31-33
UNCHANGED in the NEW Testament Hebrews 8:6-10
Which means it is "still sin to take God's name in vain" even in the NT
"God's Law written on heart and mind" is STILL in the New Covenant promise
Moses and Elijah stand WITH Christ in glory - BEFORE the Cross... Matthew 17.

 

[Bob S]

No to the poll! Christians are not under the old covenant with its ritual laws. Our rest comes from Jesus. There is no command in the new covenant regarding the keeping of days. The Sabbath was given to Israel for them to remember. They were to remember their flight out of Egypt. We are to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for saving all mankind that will yield to Him.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Indeed:

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him,because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will(will) be in you
John 14:15-17

There is a big difference between the Holy Spirit being with you, and Him being in you, as the disciples discovered at Pentecost

Yes, that verse says it all!

It was only those "anointed" in the OT, like the prophets.