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Poll...Do You Believe Conspiracy Theories Have Merit?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Big Mouth Nana, Sep 2, 2008.

  1. Have merit

  2. No merit

  3. Love them

  4. Hate them

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  1. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    Hi Robert my dear friend. Even though you are my dear friend and I love ya, I want to slap ya ^_^ I know that you and I some years ago used to suck this stuff up like it was the gospel truth. I have changed..or I should say that God has changed me :thumbsup: He basically let me know to get out of these things and look only to His Word. Everything that we need to know as far as prophecy is in there. When the Antichrist rears his evil head, we will know without a doubt. Evil abounds everywhere, and you just can't pin point every evil thing that the Devil does through people, organizations, or societies. It wouldn't matter anyway, because we can't stop any of it....God will!!
    We all know that the spirit of the Antichrist is here doing his thing, so why delve into it? Just turn on the tv or read the newspaper, it's there. People get "hyped up" on this stuff like it is something new. It makes its rounds every few years and then dies off until the next group thinks that they have discovered a great find lol. Now when a man rains down fire from heaven, my eyes will fly open and I will be most alert lol. God bless ya dear, Nana
     
  2. Raistlinorr

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    Oh I thought the love them choice was something different.


    As far as some being real well they later were proven (not talking about end time stuff here), Things like MK Ultra and such. The end time stuff I sort of left behind as well. Now I just laugh when people talk about this person or whatever being the AC. My last response to a person like this was “If they are what are you going to do about it? Things are written and must take place or everything that is written is a lie.” Yet people still fret and get worked up about what is taking place. I took a step back and thought about it. Why worry about what is going to happen when I cannot stop it regardless.

    I do though still love to read some of the stuff out there though about the things people say are going to happen but never do. Not to mention laugh at the UFO and big foot pics that I see all the time. Call it sort of hobby reading.

    I am with you I was at one time taking most of this stuff and running with it and could “see” where it was fitting in. Amazingly it never played out like it was supposed to. I do though think there are many conspiracies created by man that are taking place on a daily basis. But again it is most likely going to happen anyway. I am sure that several out there with some influence had something to do with the financial market today and the way it is. They have theirs so everyone else does not matter. Their greed and their conspiracies to achieve more is what cost us. Maybe this is a better way to explain my previous post. As for the end times conspiracy stuff well I agree that is pretty laughable stuff. When it comes down to the end times you cannot change what is to come.


    Love ya and God bless.
    Raist
     
  3. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    LOL...I still read what people post on here about these things. How do you think that I get my entertainment :pray: ? As a matter of fact, the Digital Angel chip topic was posted on here this morning. Now, that one I can possibly believe as it could be part of the mark somehow...but it's old news to some of us who have been on here awhile. It's the other things, that though they may be true as far as evilness goes, you can't do a thing about them. The bible tells us already that the spirit of the antichrist is here. I am looking for something so profound prophetically to happen that it will make BIG NEWS in comparison to what is being brought up on here now. Might wake some people up and look more to Jesus instead of what the devil is into. I don't worry about the Devil. His fate is already sealed. I think those "prophetic" days are just ahead....quite possibly in the next few years from what I am sensing in my Spirit. God bless ya :hug:
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Ya mean something like this?

    http://www.news3online.com/index.php?code=421eib326qjN18OKF0g1
     
  5. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    ^_^ That is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!! It's not you is it :pray:?
     
  6. Bible2

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    To determine whether or not a conspiracy theory has
    merit, one has to test it against what Bible prophecy
    says. If it's in line with Bible prophecy, it very
    well could have merit, and should not be rejected out
    of hand.

    While everything that we need to know as far as
    prophecy is in the Bible (Mark 13:23, Revelation 1:1,
    22:16), we still have to eventually compare as yet
    unfulfilled Bible prophecy to what is actually
    happening in the world. At some point, we will have
    to make the jump of saying "Okay, this thing happening
    now is this thing prophesied in the Bible". We can't
    refuse to ever make such a connection out of fear of
    being ridiculed as a "conspiracy theorist", for then
    what would be the point of Bible prophecy?

    Bible prophecy was given to Christians so that they
    might be aware of what to watch out for, not so that
    they can worry about it or vainly attempt to change
    it, but rather so that they won't be deceived (Mark
    13:22-23) or "offended" by anything that's going to
    happen (Matthew 13:21, 24:9-13).

    Christians need to be aware of all of Satan's devices,
    not thinking that they can then destroy them, but
    rather so that Satan won't be able to take advantage
    of Christians through those devices (2 Corinthians
    2:11, Matthew 10:16, 1 Peter 5:8), whether now or in
    the future.

    When the Antichrist comes to rule the world he will go
    after all the Christians he can find and cut off their
    heads (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4). That's why
    Christians will need to flee into the mountains
    (Matthew 24:15, Ezekiel 7:16), the wilderness
    (Revelation 12:6), and hide from him (cf. Proverbs
    22:3, 28:28,12) when they see him commit the
    abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel
    11:31,36, 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

    But no doubt as they are fleeing from him into the
    wilderness, they will hear the cackling of laughter
    behind them from those who will refuse to flee,
    because of their pride in their refusal to believe
    "in conspiracy theories".
     
  7. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    If you hear cackling of laughter behind you, it will be me and no doubt several other Christians who aren't fleeing to those mountains!! We aren't cowards who run with their tail tucked beween their legs. We are soldiers in Gods army!! That is why the bible tells us to put on the whole armour of God...soldiers wear armour....Eph 6:13 ~ Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
    15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
    16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
    17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    You can run to those mountains with the sealed 144,000 if you want to, but I plan to stand my ground with my armour on. Oh yeah, you might want to re-read this verse to refresh your thinking...Mark 8:35 ~ For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. God thought it important enough that He mentioned it 4 times..Matt, Mark, and in Luke 2 times!!! Run Forrest Run :pray:!!!
    Not believing in conspiracy theories has nothing to do with pride. It is called common sense to not believe every idiotic internet philosophy out there when the bible works just fine, and I do have access to the news...local and world ^_^.
     
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  8. gracechick

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    If you don't and would like to know more I encourage anyone to google and see what comes up. Some of the articles and sites are enough to make for some sleepless nites:eek:
     
  9. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    I prefer to sleep like a baby with good dreams, knowing that God is watching over my snoring lol.
     
  10. Bible2

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    Christians are commanded to flee to the mountains
    when they see the abomination of desolation
    (Matthew 24:15-16, cf. Daniel 11:31,36,
    2 Thessalonians 2:4), which will start the
    Antichrist's 42-month world-reign and successful
    war against the church (Revelation 13:5-10,
    14:12-13, 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), just as
    Christians are commanded to flee any place where
    they are being persecuted (Matthew 10:23), not out
    of any cowardly fear of suffering or death
    (Revelation 2:10), but so that they might live to
    preach another day to those not persecuting them
    (Acts 17:10-18:11), and so that some in the church
    might still be "alive and remain" at the second
    coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

    While Christians are soldiers in God's army,
    wrestling against Satan and his demons (Ephesians
    6:12), Christians do not war physically
    (2 Corinthians 10:3-5). Indeed, they are
    specifically commanded not to war physically
    (Matthew 26:52), even in revenge (Matthew 5:39),
    just as they are told that they will not win
    physically against Satan (Revelation 2:10) or the
    Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4) or
    any of the evil people around the world who will be
    killing Christians during the coming tribulation
    (Matthew 24:9-13). So Christians must completely
    erase from their minds any idea of fighting some
    successful physical war against evil during that
    time.

    Instead, Christians will defeat the plans of Satan
    and all evil during the coming tribulation by either
    fleeing into protected places in the mountains
    (Matthew 24:16, Ezekiel 7:16), the wilderness
    (Revelation 12:6), where Satan will be unable to
    harm them (Revelation 12:14-16), or by dying
    faithfully at his hands (Revelation 12:11, 2:10).

    Christians will be more than conquerors even as they
    are led like sheep to the slaughter (Romans
    8:36-37), for their death is gain to them as it
    takes them into heaven to be with Jesus
    (Philippians 1:21,23, 2 Corinthians 5:8), and they
    will return with Jesus at the second coming to be
    resurrected into immortal bodies (1 Thessalonians
    4:14-16, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52-53) in which they
    will reign with Jesus on the earth for 1000 years
    (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29). So death is no
    loss for a Christian; no Christian should ever fear
    death (Hebrews 2:15, Revelation 2:10, 21:8).

    The armor of Ephesians 6:13-17 is not for physical
    protection or survival, but rather for spiritual
    protection and survival; that is, for Christians to
    be able to maintain their salvation they must remain
    in the truth (1 Timothy 4:16, 2 Timothy 4:2-4), and
    they must remain in righteousness (Hebrews 10:26-29,
    1 Corinthians 9:27, 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21), and
    they must remain in the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4,
    Colossians 1:23, Mark 8:35-38), and they must remain
    in the faith (1 Timothy 4:1, 2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews
    6:4-8), and they must remain in the salvation that
    comes only through Jesus Christ of Nazareth (John
    14:6, 3:36, Acts 4:12), and they must remain in the
    word of God (James 1:21, 2 Timothy 3:15-17).

    None of these things protect Christians physically.
    Indeed, they are the very reason that Christian
    martyrs have been killed by evil people throughout
    history, and will be killed by evil people during the
    coming tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation
    13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4). So Christians must
    completely erase from their minds any idea that the
    armor of God is for their physical protection.

    ---

    The 144,000 male-virgins part of the church
    (Revelation 14:4) won't flee to the mountains, but
    will be caught up to the throne of God (Revelation
    14:5) as the "man child" right before the 42-month
    world-reign of the Antichrist begins (Revelation
    12:5-6). It will be the rest of the church which
    will remain on the earth that will either flee into
    the mountains (Matthew 24:16, Ezekiel 7:16), the
    wilderness (Revelation 12:6), to be protected from
    Satan (Revelation 12:14-16), or will remain in the
    cities to suffer the wrath of Satan (Revelation
    12:17) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10,
    14:12-13, 20:4) and evil people all around the
    world (Matthew 24:9-13).

    ---

    Mark 8:35-38 includes reference to those Christians
    who will save their lives during the reign of the
    Antichrist not by fleeing into the mountains, the
    wilderness, but by committing apostasy, denying
    Jesus and the gospel and the word of God, in order
    to keep from being killed for being Christian;
    instead of faithfully giving up their lives for
    Jesus and the gospel and the word of God (Revelation
    20:4, 12:11).

    ---

    Not believing in any conspiracy theory simply
    because it's a conspiracy theory does have to do
    with pride. It has nothing to do with common sense.
    No one has said to believe every idiotic internet
    philosophy out there, but to test every last one
    which we become aware of against what the Bible
    itself teaches; and to reject any which aren't in
    line with the Bible, and to keep an open mind about
    those which are in line with the Bible. The Bible
    indeed works just fine (2 Timothy 3:15-17), but we
    must actually apply it to the things which we are
    facing in the world, and see how those things may be
    talked about or be involved in the things talked
    about in the Bible.

    The Bible speaks of the Antichrist conspiracy, when
    he will gain power through a "small people" (Daniel
    11:23), as in numerically small. So it behooves us to
    consider who these relatively few people may be who
    will succeed in eventually bringing the whole world
    into the worship of Lucifer and the Antichrist
    (Revelation 13:4) and his gnostic doctrine (1 John
    4:3, 2 John 1:7); not so that we might try to
    forestall or defeat them, but so that we might be
    wary of them and avoid them and not be snookered by
    them, and so that we might warn others about them.

    If they are going to succeed in taking over the
    world, this will include news organizations, both
    local and worldwide, which they could have taken
    over already, precisely in order to be able to
    control the information and disinformation which the
    world will be provided in the run-up to its takeover
    by the Antichrist. So Christians must completely
    erase from their minds any idea that the news media
    are the arbiters of what is the truth and what is
    deception.
     
  11. Big Mouth Nana

    Big Mouth Nana Post Tribulationist

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    You just aren't going to let go of this falsehood are you :scratch: Nowhere does the bible say to run for the hills except for the remnant. The bible explicitly states in Mark 8:35 ~ For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. In other words, if you run from Satan..IE: the Devil/Antichrist, God says that you are going to lose your life. Us running away from persecution is tantamount to Jesus running from the cross due to cowardess!!!

    Our warfare is Spiritual, not carnal, so what happens to your Spirit Bible2 during the tribulation? Does it suddenly leave your body so that you have no weapons and turn tail and run? What happens to your faith during this time? Do you suddenly forget that God is able to keep you safe? If we die, so be it. At least we fought the good fight even in the Spirit!!! 1st Tim 6:12 ~ Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. Kind of heard to fight the good fight when you are running for the mountains.

    Oh, but I thought you just said that the Christians are going to run for the mountains? Oh, I forgot. Those are just the Christians in Judaea. All the rest of the Christians worldwide are not going to run anywhere and be killed I guess huh? God only spares the Christians in Judaea LOL!!! He spares the remnant.

    Christians committing apostasy??? Where do you get this stuff? True Christians do not commit apostasy!! I call the ones who will commit apostasy "Head Christians", and not heart converted. They know about Jesus, but no personal conversion of the Spirit.

    God doesn't expect us to be Spiritual/mental dwarfs either. I can tell by just the titles of some of these "internet" conspiracy theories that are on here, that they are leading people down the wrong road to what is actually coming. Evil is evil, and it doesn't need to be catagorized. If people would use their brains and listen to the Holy Spirit, it isn't hard to figure out.

    The "small people" are those in Israel who he gains power through. They accept him as their Messiah..John 5:43 ~ I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive...Dan 11:32 ~And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries (small people): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits...THE CHRISTIANS!!


    The forerunner to Jesus was John the Baptist. The forerunner to Jesus this time is going to be Satan trying to make people think that he is Jesus!! There aren't going to be any organizations hearlding the coming of the Antichrist. His spirit is already here working over time and it's quite evident from the evil in the world and people!! While people are looking to the skies for UFO's, reading about the Bilderburgs and Free Masons, the Antichrist will be here already unnoticed by a lot of folks! Comes in meek as a Lamb speaking great things..like CHANGE!!! Yep, change is on it's way!!!
     
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  12. gracechick

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    Makes a world of difference doesn't it:thumbsup::hug:
     
  13. Bible2

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    Matthew 24:16 is addressed to those in the church who
    will be living in Judaea (southern Israel) when they
    see the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15).

    Revelation 12:6 refers to those in the church who
    will flee into the wilderness at the start of the
    3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
    13:5). Just as the woman in Revelation 12:6 represents
    many different people in the church, so the wilderness
    place she flees to could represent many different
    wilderness places all around the world.

    ---

    Mark 8:35 refers to those Christians who will save their
    physical lives by renouncing Jesus and the gospel once
    the worldwide persecution of Christians begins (Matthew
    24:9-13). By renouncing Jesus and the gospel they will
    lose their salvation (Mark 8:36, 2 Timothy 2:12).

    True Christians, partakers of the Holy Spirit, can
    commit apostasy, and thereby lose their salvation
    (Hebrews 6:4-8).

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    While God is able to keep Christians safe if he wants
    to, he still commands Christians to flee persecution,
    never out of cowardice or any fear of death (Hebrews
    2:15), but so that they can preach somewhere else that
    needs to hear the gospel (Matthew 10:23, Luke 4:29-31).
    That's why Paul didn't hang around a city when
    persecution arose against him (Acts 17:4-34), for what
    use was there of him getting killed right away before
    he'd had the chance to preach the gospel to many other
    cities?

    1 Timothy 6:12 isn't talking about Christians sticking
    around and fighting their persecutors, but fighting
    against the evil spiritual forces which animate their
    persecutors (Ephesians 6:12, 2 Timothy 2:24-26).

    Christians can still wage spiritual warfare
    (2 Corinthians 10:3-5) even as they flee persecution.
    For example, they can still pray every day for the
    salvation of the people who were persecuting them,
    that their persecutors would be delivered from the
    evil spiritual forces and thoughts controlling their
    minds.

    ---

    Evil does need to be categorized (Galatians 5:19-21,
    Romans 1:26-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) and specifically
    pointed out if it would lead people in the church
    astray (Ephesians 5:11-17).

    ---

    The numerically "small people" in Daniel 11:23 aren't
    those apostate Jews in Jerusalem who will years later
    help the Antichrist to commit the abomination of
    desolation in Daniel 11:30b-32a. Instead, the "small
    people" way back in Daniel 11:23 are those Druze and/
    or secret-society Luciferians who will help the
    Antichrist become stronger in power when he first
    comes upon the world scene. For he could be an Arab
    from Tyre, Lebanon (Ezekiel 28:2, cf. 2 Thessalonians
    2:4) who is a Druze and a member of a worldwide secret
    society the highest members of which are all gnostic
    Luciferians.

    After the Antichrist commits the abomination of
    desolation, many Jews could accept him as their
    Messiah (John 5:43), just as many Christians could
    accept him as the Christ (Matthew 24:24), and so
    become part of the falling away, or apostasy, which
    has to occur in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:3,
    1 Timothy 4:1, Matthew 24:9-13) before Jesus returns
    (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, Matthew 24:29-31).

    ---

    The forerunner to Jesus' first coming was John the
    Baptist (Luke 3:4), who came in the spirit of Elijah
    (Luke 1:17). The forerunner to Jesus' second coming
    could be Elijah himself (Matthew 17:11) as one of
    the two witnesses (Revelation 11:3).

    ---

    During the reign of the Antichrist, Satan won't be
    trying to make people think that he's Jesus, for Satan
    hates Jesus and wants people to worship him, not Jesus.
    During the reign of the Antichrist, the world will
    worship Lucifer (Satan) the dragon and the Antichrist
    (Revelation 13:4), not Jesus. The False Prophet of the
    Antichrist (Revelation 19:20, 13:11-18) could pretend
    that he's Jesus, and/or Elijah, the forerunner of the
    Christ (Matthew 17:10-11).

    It must always be remembered that the Antichrist will
    deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22) and will
    deny that the Christ ever became flesh (1 John 4:3).
    What the Antichrist and his False Prophet could say
    instead is that Lucifer is Christ, for Lucifer is the
    morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and Christ is the morning
    star (Revelation 22:16). Of course, the truth is that
    Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah
    14:12) and became Satan (Luke 10:18), and Jesus has
    taken over the office of morning star (Revelation
    22:16).

    Nevertheless, the Antichrist and his False Prophet
    could deny this truth and claim that (what they could
    call) "the Spirit of Lucifer Christ" temporarily
    indwelt the man of flesh Jesus like wine temporarily
    filling a glass, so that Jesus himself isn't the
    Christ (1 John 2:22), and Christ himself never became
    flesh (1 John 4:3).

    ---

    There could already be a worldwide organization
    heralding the coming of the Antichrist as a good thing.
    For there is a worldwide secret society which has as a
    prominent part of its most common symbol an object
    which looks like a capital "A", and this is sometimes
    pictured as resting on top of the globe, as if it is
    ruling the world, just as the Antichrist will rule
    the world (Revelation 13:7b).

    Now we know that the Antichrist will be a Luciferian,
    for he will bring the whole world into the worship
    of Lucifer (Revelation 13:4). This could be pictured
    by an object which looks like a capital "L" which is
    on the same symbol as the "A": the "A" even appears to
    be supported by the "L", just as the world-reign of
    the Antichrist will be supported by Lucifer
    (Revelation 13:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

    We also know that the Antichrist will be a gnostic,
    for it was one of the key doctrines of gnosticism
    to deny that Christ ever became flesh (1 John 4:3).
    And wouldn't you know it, there is a prominent
    "G" located within the "L" supporting the "A" on
    the symbol of the worldwide secret society, so that
    the symbol could picture the "Gnosis" found within
    "Lucifer" encompassing the globe during the reign
    of the "Antichrist".
     
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    1"Now at that time (A)Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise And there will be a (B)time of distress (C)such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the (D)book, will be rescued. 2"(E)Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, (F)these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
    3"Those who have (G)insight will (H)shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who (I)lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.
    4"But as for you, Daniel, (J)conceal these words and (K)seal up the book until the (L)end of time; (M)many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."



    so where do you suppose these words will come from?


    http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/apocrypha_ot/2esdr.htm
     
  15. hiscosmicgoldfish

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    con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy 

    –1.the act of conspiring.2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

    Has anyone noticed that the 'online' symbol on these forums looks very masonic/NWO? a pyramid and a sun-like symbol on top.. i know it's supposed to be a tower and radio waves etc.. The pyramid also seems to have the 'all seeing eye' of horus on it.. it must have been added recently, and i saw it and wondered if it was the various people's affiliation to some NWO political lobby, at first.
     
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  16. &Abel

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    good eyes
     
  17. Bible2

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    Daniel 12:4 is referring to the words of the book of Daniel.
    But not all of the words, for most of them aren't sealed;
    they're plain on their face (e.g. Daniel 1).

    The words which were sealed until the time of the end could
    include some in Daniel 9:24-27. There the Hebrew word translated
    as seventy "weeks" is derived from a word which means "to be
    complete", so that the seventy "weeks" could include reference
    to an endtime seventy "to be completed", which could be seventy
    years to be completed, from an endtime commmandment to restore
    Israel (Daniel 9:25) until Daniel 9:24 is fulfilled in the
    earthly Jerusalem.

    An endtime commmandment to restore Israel occurred in November,
    1947, when the U.N. commanded by a Resolution that a state of
    Israel be established in Palestine.

    Daniel 9:25 could mean that Jesus will return 69 years after
    that U.N. commandment.

    In Daniel 9:26, in an endtime fulfillment, the word "Messiah"
    could be sealed in the sense that it could be referring to a
    false ultra-Orthodox Jewish Messiah, who could be in charge of
    the Old City of Jerusalem only 62 years after the November,
    1947 U.N. commandment restoring Israel. Because November is
    so late in the year, 2010 could be considered as 62 years after
    November, 1947.

    In Daniel 9:26, in an endtime fulfillment, the word "cut off"
    could be sealed in the sense that it could be referring to the
    false ultra-Orthodox Jewish Messiah being "treatied" only 62
    years after the November, 1947 U.N. commandment restoring
    Israel. For the original Hebrew word translated as "cut off"
    can refer to the "cutting" of a covenant, a peace treaty or
    league (e.g. 1 Samuel 22:2).

    So Daniel 9:26 could be referring to the seven-year peace
    treaty (Daniel 9:27a) or league which the Antichrist will cut
    with a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish Messiah (Daniel 11:23a)
    after the Antichrist attacks and defeats that Messiah (Daniel
    11:22). This treaty could permit the false ultra-Orthodox
    Jewish Messiah and his followers to keep a temple which they'll
    have rebuilt (Revelation 11:1) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem,
    and to offer the Mosaic sacrifices there, so long as they give
    up the outer court of their temple (Revelation 11:2) so that
    the Muslims can worship in the Al Aqsa mosque at the southern
    end of the Temple Mount.

    Two or three years later, in the midst of the seven-year treaty,
    the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop
    the sacrifices, and commit the abomination of desolation
    (Daniel 9:27b, 11:31), when he'll sit in the temple and proclaim
    himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He'll then begin
    a 42-month Luciferian reign of terror over the earth (Revelation
    13:4-18).

    Jesus Christ could return 1,335 days after the abomination of
    desolation (Daniel 12:11-12) to destroy the Antichrist
    (2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20), and then fulfill all
    of the requirements of Daniel 9:24 in the earthly Jerusalem.

     
  18. Big Mouth Nana

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    ^_^ If the tower was filled in on the bottom middle, then I could see your point lol. Now everytime I see those I will think of that :idea:
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    So how do we Christians accomplish that here on the CF Eschatology Guru board? :confused:
     
  20. Big Mouth Nana

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    Wrongo!! They are the remnant.

    Wrongo!! The woman is the remnant of Israel. Israel is always referred to in the female sense. The church is not!!

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    That verse says that no way no where!!

    I will give you this one with some clarification. He doesn't leave us floundering out there without a lifeline when we fall away. This verse is basically saying that if we fall away that Christ cannot be crucified again for our sins. We always have repentance, and He in His mercy gives us time to come home like the Prodigal son did. I was saved when I was about 9 years old. From 16 years old to my early 20's being a Christian was the last thing on my mind. I was so backslidden that I looked like I was on roller skates!! One thing for sure, like His word states, he will never leave us nor forsake us, and the Holy Spirit will convict you and make you feel very uncomfortable. If you ignore that drawing of the Spirit to repent, then yes, I will agree that you can lose your salvation. I don't believe in once saved always saved.
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    Hebrews 2:15 doesn't say anything about fleeing persecution :scratch:. If you recall, Jesus said that since they persecuted Him, that we would be persecuted also...not run for the hills...John 15:20 ~ Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
    If you will notice, in Matt 10:23, they were already persecuted AND THEN fled.

    Agree.

    Sure you can pray for those that persecute you. The bible states to pray for those who persecute you...but it doesn't say to run for the hills when you are persecuted. If you don't hear the Holy Spirit telling you to run from persecution, then you better stay put!! Those that belonged to Christ in the bible endured all kinds of persection. Did they run from it? No, not unless provision was made elsewhere for them that was God planned, like the spies that were hidden by the harlot Rahab. You either endure persecution, or God leads you out of it...but not by running on your own from it!! That's cowardess and not having faith in Gods plans for you. Christians are killed ya know?

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    Referring to this topic, NO, Christians do not need to be categorizing every evil that the interent holds as being prophecy unfolding. The sins listed in the bible are sins of the flesh that we had/have/or can all commit. Those in the bible you do point people away from.
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    Oh gee. This is so far out in left field and unscriptural that I can't find the words to even disagree!! This is something that you made up.

    Not many Jews could, many Jews will.

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    Not before Antichrist comes. I can't even respond to the rest of what you wrote!! I'll stick with good old bible #1 instead of your #2 ^_^
     
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